jclalor 12 #26 August 19, 2011 . QuoteEveryone makes mistakes, the frequency and severity of mistakes is what makes the difference.Yes they do, my complaint (if you care to re-read it, was based on the double standard and not what I call inocent mistakes. But I guess we can't call your mistake here incocent. Do you have trouble comprending or is this an example of being stupid? It appears I made a mistake, but if you still wish to compare forgetting a name to forgetting about the collapse of the evil empire, more power to ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #27 August 19, 2011 Quote. QuoteEveryone makes mistakes, the frequency and severity of mistakes is what makes the difference.Yes they do, my complaint (if you care to re-read it, was based on the double standard and not what I call inocent mistakes. But I guess we can't call your mistake here incocent. Do you have trouble comprending or is this an example of being stupid? It appears I made a mistake, but if you still wish to compare forgetting a name to forgetting about the collapse of the evil empire, more power to ya. WHOOOSH"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 August 19, 2011 Quote I've found that these comments are mainly directed at: (1) Conservatives; and (2) Women No one called Hillary stupid. A bitch and a lot of other things, but not stupid. Same is true for the non stupid women in the GOP - Dole, Whitman (though she did take that EPA job - bad move). But McCain picked a dumb one to pander to women voters. Quote Take Michele Bachman, for instance. Here's a right wing woman who does say some stupid things. Of course we ALL say stupid things. She's now being called "stupid" for saying that gas prices will be cheaper if she is President. We all know that's not why she's being called stupid. That's one of the least stupid things she has said. But there's long collections of details of her inattention to detail. Just this week she (or her campaign) mistakes Elvis's death for his birthday, and resurrects the Soviet Union. ADD: Ok - having seen Amazon's post about her promising $2 gas - that is pretty stupid too. No amount of Alaska crude is going to drive the price of oil down in the $30s/barrel, esp not with the deficits eroding the dollar. And when you think of shale/tar sand oil options, these aren't cost effective unless oil is selling for at least 60-70$/barrel. The most effective, if unpopular, thing the President can do to lower the price of gas is to lead on raising the gas efficiency requirements of our cars and more importantly "light trucks." Though even that may not work for long as China, India, and the developing world want a piece of our lifestyle (oil). Quote Often, the education of the person may be looked at as evidence of stupidity or lack thereof. Sarah Palin's educational qualifications were deemed no good - a BS from Idaho. So she's stupid. On the other hand, Dubya had a bachelor's degree from Yale and a Harvard MBA. Doesn't matter. He's stupid. Palin was deemed stupid after the disastrous interview with Katie Couric. I first saw the Tina Fey version - I was shocked to see how close to reality this was. Her practical education was poor. And if one wants to quibble, getting a Bachelor's in 6 years after attending 5 schools doesn't really show a great commitment, though this could be unfair. A friend of mine who got distracted by realities of work, marriage, kids, took nearly 20 years to get his. Bush is a different story. Unlike the women, which you suggested are being attacked due to sexism, Bush really was a case where people just attacked him because they disagreed with him. He's no idiot, though he certainly was a legacy admit to Yale, and his history of failed businesses looms large. But he also self inflicted some of this when he decided to dumb down his speech to play the Texas outsider. Quote Barack Obama? JD from Harvard. Must be smart. Bill Clinton? JD from Yale. Obama's fault is not in his intelligence, which is probably actually hampering his performance due to overconfidence in his beliefs. His problem is lack of experience. Clinton's problems - well it was a pretty successful presidency in terms of domestic concerns. Foreign affairs were weaker, and certainly his lady problems. But he was a Rhodes Scholar, and Phi Beta Kappa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 August 19, 2011 Sometimes it's just plain justified, Jerry. Please see my post #17 in this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4173373;page=unread#unread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #30 August 19, 2011 >Take Michele Bachman, for instance. Here's a right wing woman who does say some >stupid things. Of course we ALL say stupid things. She's now being called "stupid" for >saying that gas prices will be cheaper if she is President. It would indeed be pretty unsupportable if people criticized her for that; heck, she might even be correct! She could become president, open the strategic reserves and have gas prices drop a few percent due to the temporary increase in demand. Or she could start a crash program to get more EV's on the road, which would either reduce gas prices or at least slow their rise. But she didn't say that, did she? What she promised was: "you will see gasoline come down below $2 a gallon again. That will happen." I agree that pejoratives like "stupid" are overused. But trying to make your point by "embellishing" what she said doesn't help matters; indeed, it makes it look like she needs the help. >How does one define "stupid?" Well, as you've often said, if people were less stupid you would be out of work - so you probably have a better working definition than most people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #31 August 19, 2011 Nope. I didn't miss it. I have a problem with ANYONE calling somebody stupid when, well, the person isn't stupid. I'm not sure if you are aware of it or not but I did actually manage to put in some troubles with the right wingers, too. I've seen more "stupid" allegations coming from the left. But yes, the right is there, as well. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #32 August 19, 2011 'Stupid is as stupid does.'When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #33 August 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Yep, and when called on it rather than admit to it and use it as an opportunity to re-examine their own attitudes, they look for pathetic justifications. like trying to justify comments about the rise of the Soviet Union? No, like ignoring realities and then being unable to admit when you are dead wrong. Allow me to fetch paper and pen so I can take notes from a master of the skill.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #34 August 19, 2011 QuoteI have a problem with ANYONE calling somebody stupid when, well, the person isn't stupid. I agree neither Palin or Bachman are "stupid", (and neither is Perry for that matter), in fact they are all geniuses at self-promotion. Calling them stupid just rallies their base, which is counter-productive. On the other hand, none of them have much interest in facts, historical, scientific, or otherwise. None shows much sign of open minded curiosity about the world; they all seem to have a very simplistic bumper-sticker slogan level of understanding about almost everything and have no interest in any deeper understanding. They seem to do just fine despite that. I don't think relentless self-promotion (which is a given for any politician) without knowledge, curiosity, or a willingness to learn is what this country needs in a leader right now. For all his personal faults, Clinton was a "policy wonk" who could never get enough facts, and the country did pretty well under his presidency. So "stupid" is out. How about "willfully ignorant", or "self-interested to the point of narcissism"? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 August 19, 2011 "...sound and fury signifying nothing." Just make sure you understand the couple of words that come before it as well.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #36 August 19, 2011 Screw 'em all, let's get Ronnie up in there...tired of all the drama. He seems to be the only one we can even remotely trust anymore.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #37 August 19, 2011 QuoteSo "stupid" is out. How about "willfully ignorant", or "self-interested to the point of narcissism"? How 'bout: "Dumb as a post, and damned proud of it"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zach 0 #38 August 20, 2011 Quote However, simply labeling or insulting someone is not debating or discussing at all. On certain issues, there is simply no room for debate or discussion. On those issues, engaging in debate only legitimizes an otherwise absurd statement/argument. There is the truth, and there is everything else. Zach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #39 August 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Yep, and when called on it rather than admit to it and use it as an opportunity to re-examine their own attitudes, they look for pathetic justifications. like trying to justify comments about the rise of the Soviet Union? No, like ignoring realities and then being unable to admit when you are dead wrong. Allow me to fetch paper and pen so I can take notes from a master of the skill. I generally create a text file on my computer, or use my voice to text program. But, I do understand archaic thinkers who still do it the way they did 30 years ago. I would suggest a major upgrade in your skills and thinking into something at least representative of modern man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #40 August 20, 2011 Funny coming from someone with a picture of an Ape for his avatar. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #41 August 20, 2011 Quote Funny coming from someone with a picture of an Ape for his avatar. It's meant to be a mirror, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #42 August 20, 2011 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #43 August 20, 2011 QuoteQuote However, simply labeling or insulting someone is not debating or discussing at all. On certain issues, there is simply no room for debate or discussion. On those issues, engaging in debate only legitimizes an otherwise absurd statement/argument. There is the truth, and there is everything else. Zach This is true. Or at least if you ask those who believe that the earth is 6k years old. They won't even debate the idiots who suggest otherwise. I'm so glad you pointed this out. As the Intelligent Design advocates demonstrate, winning arguments need not rely on evidence. Those ignorant fools who disagree don't merit a measured response. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,144 #44 August 20, 2011 Quote Quote She's now being called "stupid" for saying that gas prices will be cheaper if she is President. Not to mention that she thinks the Soviet Union is on the rise. And that Elvis died on his birthday, And that Lexington/Concord are in New Hampshire, And that S&P opposed raising the debt ceiling... I don't care what degree she got, she opens her mouth and out comes stupidity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #45 August 20, 2011 Quotethe Intelligent Design advocates Ha. Now there's an Orwellian double-speak term. If they called it "Stupid Design" I might give them a listen, just for a chuckle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #46 August 21, 2011 Indeed! And they might call you stupid, too! Which is stupid, and stupid for me to say that it's stupid that they are stupid for calling your stupid. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #47 August 21, 2011 QuoteAny more,it's so hard to tell righties from lefties, it's like one's just the other turned inside-out! Chuck To paraphrase Glenn Beck et.al., Republicans and Democrats are two heads on the same snake. Somebody please explain, who is running the show? Is it George Soros, the Bilderberg Group, the Muslim Brotherhood, China?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #48 August 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteAny more,it's so hard to tell righties from lefties, it's like one's just the other turned inside-out! Chuck To paraphrase Glenn Beck et.al., Republicans and Democrats are two heads on the same snake. Somebody please explain, who is running the show? Is it George Soros, the Bilderberg Group, the Muslim Brotherhood, China? The problem is that nobody is in control. To say that the dreadful state of affairs we face is the result of any group in particular is to give them way too much credit. The fact that we have made it this far is nothing short of amazing. The possibility that we will somehow discover sufficient resources to continue much further is nonexistent. Even if we put the most charismatic and capable leader in charge, with the authority to effect any and all the most elegant and effective policies, there is nothing we can do to undo the self-inflicted damage of the past 40 years (Nixon took us off the Gold Standard exactly 40 years ago, so that time frame is a good benchmark). It has been fun while it lasted. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #49 August 21, 2011 China they own most of America these days.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #50 August 21, 2011 Quote The problem is that nobody is in control. To say that the dreadful state of affairs we face is the result of any group in particular is to give them way too much credit. The fact that we have made it this far is nothing short of amazing. The possibility that we will somehow discover sufficient resources to continue much further is nonexistent. Even if we put the most charismatic and capable leader in charge, with the authority to effect any and all the most elegant and effective policies, there is nothing we can do to undo the self-inflicted damage of the past 40 years (Nixon took us off the Gold Standard exactly 40 years ago, so that time frame is a good benchmark). It has been fun while it lasted. BSBD, Winsor I know we have had our differences but, I feel, think, and believe as you have stated above. Is cynicism a mandatory condition of growing old? I'm 69YO and next year I start the final decade. I have been living in a state of gradually increasing disappointment regarding the future of America since 1998.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
