falxori 0 #26 August 22, 2011 QuoteI'm partial to believing in facts. Are you saying it isn't a good representation? I'm saying exactly that. - Why stop there? if you go back 100 years back, before masses of Arabs migrated from Arabia to this area, you'll get a scarcely populated land. - Why stop there? go back ~2000 years and you'll find a Jewish kingdom that is much bigger than what is indicated as "Jewish lands" on these maps. - Why stop there? if you go 3500 years back, you will have a land full of Canaanites or whatever. you can't go back only as far as suits your agenda. If you're looking for facts. the FACT is that the only time in recent history where this land wasn't under foreign rule (Roman, Turkish, British, etc.) was since 1948. There was NO Palestine before that like this map suggests. There could have been if the Arabs would have accepted the partition plan, but they didn't. They attacked and lost. and again, this is a fact. this is irrelevant to this thread though. over 100 rockets have been fired into Israel in the last 3 days. some after a cease fire was declared. And once again, war is forced upon us... Edit to add: This map indicates the West Bank and Gaza as "Palestinian land" from 1949 to 1967. This was Jordanian and Egyptian land, if anything... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #27 August 22, 2011 Not to start another 'Israel is Evil' thread but why should the then Palestinians (or Arabs or whatever you want to call them) have had to agree to any partition plan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #28 August 22, 2011 Because unfortunately there are two nations who consider the same small piece of land their homeland. You can Either chose to give some of it up and build a homeland on part of it or fight forever. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 August 22, 2011 QuoteThis photo attachment is a good representation of the shifting borders. Do you have a pretty picture of all the lands, homes and valuables stolen from Jews all across the Arab and Muslim lands at the same time as the war in the new state of Israel>??? ( The answer.. is it is far larger with far more value than what they gained but that is irrelevant because it does not fit your greedy jew mindset now does it) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #30 August 24, 2011 QuoteBecause unfortunately there are two nations who consider the same small piece of land their homeland. You can Either chose to give some of it up and build a homeland on part of it or fight forever. or... QuoteSadly, with the escalating violence in the south, Israelis and Palestinians are becoming even more distrustful of one another’s intentions. Israelis worry about being obliterated by rockets from Gaza, just as Palestinians worry about being shredded by IDF airstrikes. Maybe the disturbingly damaged relationship between these two neighboring peoples can be repaired if everyone puts aside their view of absolute justice for one side and instead thinks about how to create an admittedly imperfect justice for all. Palestinian refugees may have to be content with being resettled in a nascent Palestinian state. And Israelis may have to be content with scaling back the dream of Greater Israel and of also better honoring its Arab Israeli minority as first-class citizens. Maybe what is becoming a painful mutual stalemate could be softened if everyone -- Israelis, Palestinians, and their respective supporters -- were to declare: “I am a Zionist. And I am a Palestinian nationalist.” From there, standing shoulder to shoulder, we might better see how both people’s needs can be met in this tiny sliver of land. http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/the-fifth-question/i-am-a-zionist-and-i-am-a-palestinian-nationalist-1.380432stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #31 September 1, 2011 QuoteSygmunt Bauman, the Jewish sociologist and one of the greatest philosophers of our time, castigated Israel harshly this week, saying it did not want peace and was afraid of it. Bauman said Israel was "taking advantage of the Holocaust to legitimize unconscionable acts," and compared the separation fence to the walls surrounding the Warsaw Ghetto, in which hundreds of thousands of Jews perished in the Holocaust. In a long interview to the important Polish weekly "Politika," Bauman said Israel was not interested in peace. "Israeli politicians are terrified of peace, they tremble with fear from the possibility of peace, because without war and without general mobilization they don't know how to live," he said. "Israel does not see the missiles falling on communities along the border as a bad thing. On the contrary, they would be worried and even alarmed were it not for this fire," the Polish-British sociologist said. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/polish-jewish-sociologist-compares-west-bank-separation-fence-to-warsaw-ghetto-walls-1.381828stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #32 September 1, 2011 Its going to get ugly if Palestine is recognised. The IDF have been training settlers and God alone knows what kind of plans they have in place if it happens.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 September 2, 2011 Quote "Israel does not see the missiles falling on communities along the border as a bad thing. On the contrary, they would be worried and even alarmed were it not for this fire," the Polish-British sociologist said. So if Hamas stopped for just a little while, peace would break out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
