Michelle Bachmann on Meet the Press

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Remember the good ole daze when Goldwater was considered a wacko? So that makes these people....what? Jeez.

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Remember the good ole daze when Goldwater was considered a wacko? So that makes these people....what? Jeez.

Scary .... ain't it

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There is no longer a seat at the table for anyone who is a moderate or hell even an old school Conservative like Goldwater or William F. Buckley, Jr.

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I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.

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It is a fact that Lyndon Johnson and his curious crew seem to believe that progress in this country is best served simply and directly through the ever-expanding gift power of the everlastingly growing Federal Government. One thing we all know, and I assure you I do: that's a much easier way to get votes than my way. It always has been. It's political Daddyism, and it's as old as demagogues and despotism.

Lower taxes, less government....sounds more like Bachmann than Obama.

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Remember the good ole daze when Goldwater was considered a wacko? So that makes these people....what? Jeez.

Scary .... ain't it

Conservative pioneer became an outcast
Michael Murphy
The Arizona Republic May. 31, 1998 12:00 PM

In 1996, Barry Goldwater sat in his Paradise Valley home with Bob Dole and joked about his strange new standing as a GOP outsider. ''We're the new liberals of the Republican Party,'' Goldwater told Dole, who was then facing criticisms from hard-line conservatives in the presidential campaign. ''Can you imagine that?''

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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

So who proposed tax rates of 91%, like in 1962? Oh, NO-ONE did.

Did Kennedy propose 35% - NO, he dropped the top rate to 71%

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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

So who proposed tax rates of 91%, like in 1962? Oh, NO-ONE did.

Did Kennedy propose 35% - NO, he dropped the top rate to 71%

And so you can make a valid point you would have to show you have an apples to apples comparison

What do you suppose the total effective tax rate is today vs then?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

So who proposed tax rates of 91%, like in 1962? Oh, NO-ONE did.

And who raised them to 91%?

Did Kennedy propose 35% - NO, he dropped the top rate to 71%

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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

So who proposed tax rates of 91%, like in 1962? Oh, NO-ONE did.

Did Kennedy propose 35% - NO, he dropped the top rate to 71%

And so you can make a valid point you would have to show you have an apples to apples comparison

What do you suppose the total effective tax rate is today vs then?

Less than 91%

Kennedy's tax cut dropped the top rate to 71% from the 91% it had been during the Eisenhower administration. GM's quotes need to be taken in that context, NOT the current context of a top rate of 35%.

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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

So who proposed tax rates of 91%, like in 1962? Oh, NO-ONE did.

Did Kennedy propose 35% - NO, he dropped the top rate to 71%

And so you can make a valid point you would have to show you have an apples to apples comparison

What do you suppose the total effective tax rate is today vs then?

Less than 91%

Kennedy's tax cut dropped the top rate to 71% from the 91% it had been during the Eisenhower administration. GM's quotes need to be taken in that context, NOT the current context of a top rate of 35%.

Kennedy's quotes don't mention rates...but makes a nice excuse for you to try to disqualify them.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

So who proposed tax rates of 91%, like in 1962? Oh, NO-ONE did.

Did Kennedy propose 35% - NO, he dropped the top rate to 71%

And so you can make a valid point you would have to show you have an apples to apples comparison

What do you suppose the total effective tax rate is today vs then?

Less than 91%

Kennedy's tax cut dropped the top rate to 71% from the 91% it had been during the Eisenhower administration. GM's quotes need to be taken in that context, NOT the current context of a top rate of 35%.

Kennedy's quotes don't mention rates...but makes a nice excuse for you to try to disqualify them.

i doubt Kennedy would have believed an idiot successor would drop rates to the level that Bush did. If he thought 35% was optimal, I'm sure he would have proposed that instead of 71%

You might want to look "context" up in a dictionary, it's a useful concept.

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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference


"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964


Amazing how far todays Democratic Party has drifted from it's roots.

So who proposed tax rates of 91%, like in 1962? Oh, NO-ONE did.

Did Kennedy propose 35% - NO, he dropped the top rate to 71%

And so you can make a valid point you would have to show you have an apples to apples comparison

What do you suppose the total effective tax rate is today vs then?

Less than 91%

Kennedy's tax cut dropped the top rate to 71% from the 91% it had been during the Eisenhower administration. GM's quotes need to be taken in that context, NOT the current context of a top rate of 35%.

Kennedy's quotes don't mention rates...but makes a nice excuse for you to try to disqualify them.

i doubt Kennedy would have believed an idiot successor would drop rates to the level that Bush did. If he thought 35% was optimal, I'm sure he would have proposed that instead of 71%

You might want to look "context" up in a dictionary, it's a useful concept.

You might want to look up "honesty" and "accuracy"...they're even more useful.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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You might want to look "context" up in a dictionary, it's a useful concept.

You might want to look up "honesty" and "accuracy"...they're even more useful.

Funny, that, coming from someone who believes Rupert Murdoch.

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You might want to look "context" up in a dictionary, it's a useful concept.

You might want to look up "honesty" and "accuracy"...they're even more useful.

Funny, that, coming from someone who believes Rupert Murdoch.

I said in the first page of that thread that Murdoch should face the consequences if he was found guilty.

Thanks for proving my point about the whole "honest and accurate" thing.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Thanks for proving my point about the whole "honest and accurate" thing.

It is a point he proves daily

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So in your world, if someone says we need to drop the tax rate, they would be held to that stance no matter how far the tax rate drops? That's idiotic.

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So in your world, if someone says we need to drop the tax rate, they would be held to that stance no matter how far the tax rate drops? That's idiotic.

You are right
Your post here IS idiotic

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So in your world, if someone says we need to drop the tax rate, they would be held to that stance no matter how far the tax rate drops? That's idiotic.

Dan, what do you not get about basic economic theory here. Lower tax rates always lead to higher government revenues. Clearly the answer is that we need to cut tax rates to 0%. That way revenues will go to ∞ . Deficit problem solved.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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So if I say to a grocer that I think the price of apples is too high, and he cuts the price in half, you would still require me to stick by my original statement? Just because I though a given price was too high, I must believe that any price is too high?

Are you too dense to see how this applies to the conversation? I suspect so.

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Thanks for proving my point about the whole "honest and accurate" thing.

It is a point he proves daily

It was YOU that had to eat crow after calling me dishonest.

Your memory is as bad as Mike's.

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Thanks for proving my point about the whole "honest and accurate" thing.

It is a point he proves daily

It was YOU that had to eat crow after calling me dishonest.

Your memory is as bad as Mike's.

No feathers in my mouth oh dodging one

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So if I say to a grocer that I think the price of apples is too high, and he cuts the price in half, you would still require me to stick by my original statement? Just because I though a given price was too high, I must believe that any price is too high?

Are you too dense to see how this applies to the conversation? I suspect so.

I guess density must be relative in your world

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Yes. Density is relative. Often the density of water at a specific temperature and pressure is used as a reference.

Guess what, prices (and taxes) are relative, too, especially when they are expressed as a percentage of some reference value.

- Dan G

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Yes. Density is relative. Often the density of water at a specific temperature and pressure is used as a reference.

Guess what, prices (and taxes) are relative, too, especially when they are expressed as a percentage of some reference value.

Well at least I can some progress here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Good, I'm glad you're moving along. Now work on your sentence structure.

Nice job completely derailing a thread when it doesn't look good for your side.

Care to explain again why Kennedy's statement about lowering the tax rate must apply regardless of what the tax rate is currently? Please include a discussion about why his opinion about the tax rate in the 60s applies to the rate years after his death.

- Dan G