Michelle Bachmann on Meet the Press

[jclalor 12]

I don't know if many people watched this, but she is one scary woman.


http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/08/14/Bachmann_on_Gays_I_Dont_Judge_Them/

[DougH 270]

I don't like her. I don't like the extreme left wing people in government either.

It would be great if we could swing our representatives back to the center!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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I don't like her. I don't like the extreme left wing people in government either.

It would be great if we could swing our representatives back to the center!

I am sure lefties don't like Ron Paul (even though he sometimes calls for things lefties are asking for). But I am hoping Ron Paul comes out on top. However I fear that he just makes too much sense for the GOP to accept him and of course in the eyes of the Left Barack Obama is still their messiah, the superhero savior of the Universe.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[DougH 270]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[GeorgiaDon 379]

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It would be great if we could swing our representatives back to the center!

Yes it would, but our primary system makes that unlikely, as long as only the most vitriolic turn out to vote at that level. If the majority of the eligible voters turned out, we might see more moderate (i.e. open to discussion) candidates. However since the independent voters (who are likely to be the most moderate) are excluded from primaries in most states, it's hard to see how that might happen.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Barry Goldwater Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)

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Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

Barry Goldwater, November 1994

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I don't like her. I don't like the extreme left wing people in government either.

It would be great if we could swing our representatives back to the center!

I am sure lefties don't like Ron Paul (even though he sometimes calls for things lefties are asking for). But I am hoping Ron Paul comes out on top. However I fear that he just makes too much sense for the GOP to accept him and of course in the eyes of the Left Barack Obama is still their messiah, the superhero savior of the Universe.

You don't even bother to try, do you? It's a pity, since you seem to have the skills to give it a whirl if you really wanted to.

[DougH 270]

I have a suggestion to change the primary system.

Republicans will have to participate in the democrat primary. Democrats will have to vote for republican primary candidates. Independents can vote in both.

Maybe then we will get representatives that actually represent mainstream america.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

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I have a suggestion to change the primary system.

Republicans will have to participate in the democrat primary. Democrats will have to vote for republican primary candidates. Independents can vote in both.

Maybe then we will get representatives that actually represent mainstream america.

Can't work because elections are run at the state level and there will ALWAYS be some asshole state that decides it wants to do something completely different so they can be seen as having power, when in fact, they actually don't.

The recent Iowa straw poll is a perfect example.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,090]

>Republicans will have to participate in the democrat primary. Democrats will have to
>vote for republican primary candidates.

Both will vote for the most unelectable candidates. I recall a few years back Rush Limbaugh encouraging his listeners to do everything they could to ensure Hillary won the primary, because she was easier to beat. We'd end up in a race to the bottom.

[DougH 270]

Yes I have heard of people changing party affiliation so they could vote for undesirable candidates in the other party.

Sad shit!

Personally if I was given the oppertunity I would vote for the democrat candidate that I felt most closey representent my beliefs and stances. I wouldn't be trying to vote for the weakest. Hedging my bets that way!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[winsor 236]

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>Republicans will have to participate in the democrat primary. Democrats will have to
>vote for republican primary candidates.

Both will vote for the most unelectable candidates. I recall a few years back Rush Limbaugh encouraging his listeners to do everything they could to ensure Hillary won the primary, because she was easier to beat. We'd end up in a race to the bottom.

As opposed to what we have now? And exactly what might be the difference?

[jclalor 12]

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of course in the eyes of the Left Barack Obama is still their messiah, the superhero savior of the Universe.

[billvon 3,090]

>As opposed to what we have now? And exactly what might be the difference?

We get enough incompetence in Washington without specifically selecting for it.

[dmcoco84 5]

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It would be great if we could swing our representatives back to the center!

Yes it would,

So then... what is the "Center" on this issue?

[winsor 236]

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>As opposed to what we have now? And exactly what might be the difference?

We get enough incompetence in Washington without specifically selecting for it.

Good point - every time I conclude that we could not do worse, I am proven wrong.

[billvon 3,090]

>what is the "Center" on this issue?

What is the center on _what_ issue? Who to nominate for president? Probably someone who hews to Third Way policies in general (Third Way is a centrist think tank.) What should happen with the budget process? That's easy - cut spending and raise taxes to reduce the deficit.

[skydiver30960 0]

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I have a suggestion to change the primary system.

Republicans will have to participate in the democrat primary. Democrats will have to vote for republican primary candidates. Independents can vote in both.

Maybe then we will get representatives that actually represent mainstream america.

I applaud you for what is, in my humble opinion, a very Solomon-like solution. Unfortunately, I agree with posts between this post and mine: the participants in American politics are about as far from Solomon-like as one can get.

Elvisio "we're SO FAR past cutting the baby in half" Rodriguez

[dmcoco84 5]

Well... "Bachmann on Gays", that was the purpose of this thread, right? Additionally pointing at how she is not fit to be president, since the poster feels she is a, scary woman...



So... the marriage argument:

If the Fringe Right view is for a constitutional amendment, for One Man, One Woman. (That is what she wants - and its never gonna happen)

What is the Fringe Left view?

What is the "Center"?

[billvon 3,090]

>If the Fringe Right view is for a constitutional amendment, for One Man, One Woman.
>(That is what she wants - and its never gonna happen)

>What is the Fringe Left view?

Probably a constitutional amendment that guarantees equal rights for all (a la the Equal Rights Amendment, but including gays; several left wingers have proposed that the ERA be resurrected for just that purpose.)

>What is the "Center"?

Leave the Constitution alone and let people do what they like, probably.

[dmcoco84 5]

"but including gays"




Left ... Center ... Right.

A 20th Century Creation... and still successfully controlling the argument.

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Left ... Center ... Right.
A 20th Century Creation... and still successfully controlling the argument.

Well of course you're right as long the French revolutionary war took place in the 20th century, which I guess it didn't, so I guess you're not.

FFS dude, at least learn the origins of a term before spouting off about when it was created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[SpeedRacer 1]

Michelle Bachmann says the darndest things!
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3De9bvreW08X0&v=e9bvreW08X0&gl=US

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[headoverheels 333]

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The recent Iowa straw poll is a perfect example.

The straw poll has only been won by the eventual Republican primary candidate once in the last 5 times (plus one tie). Bragging rights for the winner don't really extend beyond just that.

[Amazon 7]

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The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Barry Goldwater Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)

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Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

Barry Goldwater, November 1994

In todays GOP.. Sen Goldwater would be called a RINO by the people he was trying to warn the party about. It does seem that the people of that wing of the GOP are over- represented here in SC. There is no longer a seat at the table for anyone who is a moderate or hell even an old school Conservative like Goldwater or William F. Buckley, Jr.