dreamdancer 0 #1 August 14, 2011 a bailout for the rich... QuoteAs the Bank of England considers unleashing a fresh round of QE, Dhaval Joshi, of BCA Research, argues the approach of creating electronic money pushes up share prices and profits without feeding through to wages. "The evidence suggests that QE cash ends up overwhelmingly in profits, thereby exacerbating already extreme income inequality and the consequent social tensions that arise from it," Joshi says in a new report. He points out that real wages – adjusted for inflation – have fallen in both the US and UK, where QE has been a key tool for boosting growth. In Germany, meanwhile, where there has been no quantitative easing, real wages have risen. As the Bank waded into the financial markets to spend its £200bn of newly created money, mostly on government bonds, the price of many assets, including shares and commodities such as oil, was driven up. That helped to boost companies' revenues, but Joshi argues that with the labour market remaining weak, employees have had little hope of bidding up their wages. "The shocking thing is, two years into an ostensible recovery, [UK] workers are actually earning less than at the depth of the recession. Real wages and salaries have fallen by £4bn. Profits are up by £11bn. The spoils of the recovery have been shared in the most unequal of ways." Joshi adds that this also helps to explain why sales of high-end luxury goods have continued to soar, while many consumers have been forced to tighten their belts. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/aug/14/quantitative-easing-riotsstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarpos 4 #2 August 14, 2011 profits get spent eventually and become income for others ... is there a better plan out there ?regards, Steve the older I get...the better I was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 August 14, 2011 yes, let things cycle through and make the corrections that are needed and dreamy is almost correct qe is a money plan for politicians. who are getting rich on the tax dollar Them and their public union buddies In any event It will end sooner if the gov gets smaller, stops printing money and gets the heck of all of this"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #4 August 14, 2011 Quoteprofits get spent eventually and become income for others ... is there a better plan out there ? For the past year (or more) corporations are sitting on record amounts of cash and NOT spending it. Since the politicians have been bought and paid for by the rich, why expect any policies that do anything other than favor the rich. The gap between the rich and the rest has widened steadily over the past 30 years.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #5 August 15, 2011 QuoteSince the politicians have been bought and paid for by the rich, why expect any policies that do anything other than favor the rich. The gap between the rich and the rest has widened steadily over the past 30 years. Well shoot me now. Kallend posts something I agree with. In addition, I'd say it goes back farther than just 30 years. My viewpoint says, "Since day 1 with only small bumps in the road".My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #6 August 15, 2011 About time you woke up... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #7 August 15, 2011 ***Since the politicians have been bought and paid for by the rich, why expect any policies that do anything other than favor the rich. Quote +1 Now what are we going to do about it? We can't expect a fair shake through legislation. Non-violent revolution is our only recourse. What ever you do don't feed the monster which seeks to enslave you. Not one thin dime! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #8 August 15, 2011 Quoteprofits get spent eventually and become income for others ... is there a better plan out there ? yes, quantitative easing for the poor. the poor don't hoard money they spend it. the velocity of money increases and the economy starts to grow from the bottom up...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #9 August 15, 2011 Quote About time you woke up... about time you grew up (i'll explain keynes to you while you mature)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarpos 4 #10 August 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteprofits get spent eventually and become income for others ... is there a better plan out there ? yes, quantitative easing for the poor. the poor don't hoard money they spend it. the velocity of money increases and the economy starts to grow from the bottom up... isnt that against the great american , dog eat dog, to bad for you if you cant make it ethos? I imagine the reaction to injecting money at the bottom would be a whole lot of socialist/pinko/commie rants. the govt did what you are suggesting here when the GFC struck , including cash handouts to the lowest income earners. I'm not sure if there was a real benefit unless you were selling drugs, alcohol and cheap electronics. Still, as you say it got some money churning around when things looked very bleak.regards, Steve the older I get...the better I was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
dreamdancer 0 #8 August 15, 2011 Quoteprofits get spent eventually and become income for others ... is there a better plan out there ? yes, quantitative easing for the poor. the poor don't hoard money they spend it. the velocity of money increases and the economy starts to grow from the bottom up...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #9 August 15, 2011 Quote About time you woke up... about time you grew up (i'll explain keynes to you while you mature)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarpos 4 #10 August 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteprofits get spent eventually and become income for others ... is there a better plan out there ? yes, quantitative easing for the poor. the poor don't hoard money they spend it. the velocity of money increases and the economy starts to grow from the bottom up... isnt that against the great american , dog eat dog, to bad for you if you cant make it ethos? I imagine the reaction to injecting money at the bottom would be a whole lot of socialist/pinko/commie rants. the govt did what you are suggesting here when the GFC struck , including cash handouts to the lowest income earners. I'm not sure if there was a real benefit unless you were selling drugs, alcohol and cheap electronics. Still, as you say it got some money churning around when things looked very bleak.regards, Steve the older I get...the better I was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites