Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

[rushmc 23]

Another win for the country

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(Reuters) - An appeals court ruled on Friday that President Barack Obama's healthcare law requiring Americans to buy healthcare insurance or face a penalty was unconstitutional, a blow to the White House.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/12/us-usa-healthcare-idUSTRE77B4J320110812

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Just the the mandate to purchase was ruled unconstituitonal

The rest was left standing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

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Just the the mandate to purchase was ruled unconstituitonal

The rest was left standing

Are you sure you're for this ruling? Because to me it says now they can just give it away.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/health-care-law-individual-mandate-ruled-unconstitutional-by-11th-circuit-federal-appeals-court/2011/08/12/gIQAq1OSBJ_blog.html

The individual mandate

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

This raised a bunch of questions give that the individual mandate was one of the main funding mechanizims of this bill. And now, since the bill in not revenue neutral or saves money, does it have to go back and get passed through normal channels? Not the way (I cant rmember the process right now) they did it?

Of course this is going to the SC where the final ruling will be made but it is a step in the right direction

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

BTY

2 Clintion and 1 Bush apointees on the pannel

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[StreetScooby 5]

There's hope Obama won't bankrupt the country.

We are all engines of karma

[rushmc 23]

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There's hope Obama won't bankrupt the country.

Gotta get rid of all of the obamanation

but this is a start

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[RonD1120 62]

20 Jan 2013, the end of an error.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

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20 Jan 2013, the end of an error.

Calling what is going on now an error, is the understatement of the decade

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

I just found myself agreeing with rushmc.
I'm so confused now.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[mirage62 0]

Could the courts really work? Interesting

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[rushmc 23]

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I just found myself agreeing with rushmc.
I'm so confused now.

Ya

But I have come to believe that neither side is for us.

They have different roads but they all lead to the same place.

They put up the front they are fighting to distract us from what is really going on

And in the mean time the pres is just a figure head used to draw more attention away from what they (the ruling class elite) are really doing.

And we can only derail them at the ballot box.

And they are not (I think) looking forward to 2012.

And this is the very reason the media, the left, the right ruling class and billvon hate the tea party

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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Just the the mandate to purchase was ruled unconstituitonal

The rest was left standing

Are you sure you're for this ruling? Because to me it says now they can just give it away.

The only way it could POSSIBLY be fiscally non-nightmarish would be to make sure everyone had to buy it. The government is now facing it's very own "unfunded mandate." This is not something like Medicare or Social Security that would work great in early days and cost mightily down the road like any good Ponzi scheme. Since people aren't required to buy it, then they can't squeeze it out of everyone.

It collapses without the individual mandate.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[mirage62 0]

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It collapses without the individual mandate.

As a lawyer just how "clear cut" is this? I mean I can't believe that team Obama didn't fully understand this. What would be the angle? If it is clear cut (and what is in the law) is this more of a case of that they knew this would happen and will now hope the SC will rule in their favor?

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[kelpdiver 2]

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It collapses without the individual mandate.

As a lawyer just how "clear cut" is this? I mean I can't believe that team Obama didn't fully understand this. What would be the angle? If it is clear cut (and what is in the law) is this more of a case of that they knew this would happen and will now hope the SC will rule in their favor?

well, it's not clear cut - a separate appellate court ruled in favor of the mandate. But if you're looking for how he got to this point, think back to the scramble to get this passed. It died, and then was brought back to life, but there was a lot of carnage in the process. Having invested so much political capital into it, any bill, even one struck down later by an evil "Bush court," is better than a complete failure.

[GQ_jumper 4]

And we can only derail them at the ballot box.

And they are not (I think) looking forward to 2012.

And this is the very reason the media, the left, the right ruling class and billvon hate the tea party ***

The Republicans and the Dems both need to pull their heads out of their respective fourth points of contact and stop holding our countries future hostage over ideological BS. And the tea party needs to go back to what it was during its infancy, and stop listening to people like Palin who hijacked it and switched it to "full retard".

Both sides deserve to be severely punished at the elections next year. The Republicans need to stop protecting people from taxes, the system is broke, revamp it and make all of us pay our fair share, from the rich down to the working class. And the Dems need to stop protecting the people who expect more than they deserve(Unions....), and realize that everyone should have to work for a living, and a free handout should not be a way of life.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[StreetScooby 5]

Here's a quote from an article in today's WSJ:

The Soft-on-Crime Roots of British Disorder

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Victims of aggression who defend themselves or attempt to protect their property have been shown no such leniency. Burglars who injured themselves breaking into houses have successfully sued homeowners for damages. In February, police in Surrey told gardeners not to put wire mesh on the windows of their garden sheds as burglars might hurt themselves when they break in.

So the burglars might hurt themselves, and then the medical system would have to pay for it. Can you imagine the power the government will start exerting in our daily lives in order to save medical costs? Obamacare cannot be allowed to stand.

We are all engines of karma

[DanG 1]

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So the burglars might hurt themselves, and then the medical system would have to pay for it. Can you imagine the power the government will start exerting in our daily lives in order to save medical costs? Obamacare cannot be allowed to stand.

You've got to be fucking kidding. Is this really how your thought process works?

- Dan G