rushmc 23
SkyChimp 0
QuoteIf this was done there would never be another Dem president because large portions of the inner cities would not be able to vote
You sure you want to go there?
I can't speculate whether or not that would prevent inner city residents from voting but I do believe that knowledge of our representative republic and US citizenship should be required to prevent manipulation and fraud.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
SkyChimp 0
QuoteThat idea is repugnant and shows vast ignorance of just about everything regarding justice and governance.
With respect.... without it, we have voter manipulation and corruption.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
SkyChimp 0
QuoteI have shown you countless studies that show the average Democrat has a higher level of education than the average Republican.
For argument sake, lets say this is correct. I still stand by requiring an individual to have knowledge prior to receiving voters privilege. Look back earlier into this thread about the "inner cities" not being able to vote. That same theory would apply to the Republicans "rural" areas. Both parties have people possessing Ph.D's and people who dropped out of high school.
QuoteWhy do you think the average wage of a Republican is lower than a Democrat?
Can you support this with evidence? Where did you find the demographics?
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
SkyChimp 0
Voting isn't a constitutional right. I haven't seen anyone post where in the Constitution it states voting is a right.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
mnealtx 0
QuoteVoting isn't a constitutional right. I haven't seen anyone post where in the Constitution it states voting is a right.
Amendment 15:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Amendment 19:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. "
Mike
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jclalor 12
QuoteQuoteQuoteVoting isn't a constitutional right. I haven't seen anyone post where in the Constitution it states voting is a right.
Amendment 15:
"the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Amendment 19:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. "
You list amendments that give reasons as to why you cannot deny a person to be able to vote, however, There is no "right" to vote in the constitution.
airdvr 210
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteVoting isn't a constitutional right. I haven't seen anyone post where in the Constitution it states voting is a right.
Amendment 15:
"the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Amendment 19:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. "
You list amendments that give reasons as to why you cannot deny a person to be able to vote, however, There is no "right" to vote in the constitution.
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteIf this was done there would never be another Dem president because large portions of the inner cities would not be able to vote
You sure you want to go there?
I can't speculate whether or not that would prevent inner city residents from voting but I do believe that knowledge of our representative republic and US citizenship should be required to prevent manipulation and fraud.
This is different than what I understood the post to mean however, on one level I agree with you. Not so much that it would be a requirement to allow you to vote but rather, it should be a required class in all public schools that is taught every year of high school and junior high.
Which would still mean the end of any future Dem presidents
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
SkyChimp 0
QuoteQuoteVoting isn't a constitutional right. I haven't seen anyone post where in the Constitution it states voting is a right.
Amendment 15:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Amendment 19:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. "
Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided that approximately 600,000 residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution "does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”
As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteVoting isn't a constitutional right. I haven't seen anyone post where in the Constitution it states voting is a right.
Amendment 15:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Amendment 19:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. "
Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided that approximately 600,000 residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution "does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”
As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.
Disagree. Not being able to vote for a non-existent (by purpose) representative != voting is a privilege.
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SkyChimp 0
I can see how you interpret 15 and 19 as the right to vote but its not ensuring. The Constitution has many phrases used like in amendment 15 & 19. You will see that citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18 year old people can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members..... but t in all of this, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech. It does require that representatives be chosen and senators be elected by "the people" and who comprises "the people" has been expanded by amendments several times in the constitution. Aside from these requirements, the qualifications for voters are left to the states and as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. In Texas if I'm not mistaken people declared mentally incompetent, or people currently on probation are denied the right to vote.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
mnealtx 0
I never claimed the right was absolute - after all, you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater for the hell of it (since you mention the 1st Amendment).
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Andy9o8 2
QuoteQuoteQuoteVoting isn't a constitutional right. I haven't seen anyone post where in the Constitution it states voting is a right.
Amendment 15:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Amendment 19:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. "
Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided that approximately 600,000 residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution "does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”
As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.
Googling the exact passage "As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments" got me 247 hits in which the article you're apparently quoting from is re-quoted. That's how it works on the web.
In my own opinion on constitutional law, I disagree with the original author of the quoted article (whoever he/she may be). Voting is not a mere privilege, such as, say, holding a driver's license. It is indeed a right (which is why it is at least twice referred to as a "right" in the Constitution. It is not, however, and absolute right - it is a right which can be expanded upon; but (with limited exceptions**) it may not be shrunk or withdrawn.
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**Limited exceptions such as certain criminal convictions. Many Constitutional rights can be restricted under specialized circumstances - such as lawful restrictions placed on military personnel, e.g., restrictions on free speech, little or no freedom from involuntary servitude, etc.
Did you see any of the links Rush posted on this thread?
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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