TrophyHusband 0 #1 August 10, 2011 Although the answer may not be simple. Is the budget deficit committee and/or the process that has been designed constitutional? I ask because this committee isn't just coming up with recommendations, what they come up with must be voted up or down without debate. I don't know if my representatives' up or down votes satisfactorily represent me, or if I'm entitled to more representation in the law-writing process. I'm holding back on forming an opinion about this committee and process until I know a little more about it. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 August 10, 2011 The answer is yes. Congress has the power to raise taxes and create laws. The committee is no different than what congress has been doing for centuries, with various specific committees who come up with plans and then are voted on. Oh, and I'm not a lawyer, but this doesn't require one, it's not all that tricky. All it requires is passing high-school civics, or at least high-school civics as it was taught in my day. I dunno what the fuck they're teaching kids today.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #3 August 10, 2011 Sorry I'm not as well educated as you. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 August 10, 2011 QuoteSorry I'm not as well educated as you. Not even the implication. The US Constitution is supposed to be basically understandable by the people of the US and not exclusively to the legal class. Where the Supreme Court gets involved is when lawyers parse the commas, but the basics should be understandable to anybody. I find the implication that it is only understandable to lawyers an appalling situation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #5 August 10, 2011 The reality is that we DO live in a society where the lawyers "parse the commas". I addressed the lawyers largely because the two that post here most do a pretty good job of explaining these kids of things and they usually are aware of (or know how to quickly find) Supreme Court decisions to the topic. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 August 10, 2011 QuoteThe reality is that we DO live in a society where the lawyers "parse the commas". Certainly, that is one of their basic functions in the world. That said, this issue of the "super committee" probably isn't going to end up being one of them. It seems pretty standard in terms of how Congress works in general and both sides of the aisle already agreed to it. Maybe some Tea Party member or somebody else that thinks Congress shouldn't exist at all will make a stink, but it looks pretty Constitutional in terms of the powers the Constitution grants Congress.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 August 10, 2011 Sure. Congress has the authority to nake rules, including delegation of authority. Picture regulations. Congress may delegate the authority to the executive branch to make rules and regulations that carry the effect of law. We lawyers treat these as law unless they conflict with a statute. In the event of a conflict a statute reigns supreme. Congress frequently delegates responsibility. In this case the committee looks like it will draft a law for an up or down vote. Congress can do that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 August 10, 2011 Quote Sure. Congress has the authority to nake rules, including delegation of authority. Picture regulations. Congress may delegate the authority to the executive branch to make rules and regulations that carry the effect of law. We lawyers treat these as law unless they conflict with a statute. In the event of a conflict a statute reigns supreme. Congress frequently delegates responsibility. In this case the committee looks like it will draft a law for an up or down vote. Congress can do that. Ha! You misspelled "make". And I would have preferred to see commas interposed between "as law" and "unless they", and between "in this case" and "the committee". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #9 August 10, 2011 QuoteThe reality is that we DO live in a society where the lawyers "parse the commas". I addressed the lawyers largely because the two that post here most do a pretty good job of explaining these kids of things and they usually are aware of (or know how to quickly find) Supreme Court decisions to the topic. But you didn't specify real, documented and certified lawyers. Hence your reply from a make-believe one.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe reality is that we DO live in a society where the lawyers "parse the commas". I addressed the lawyers largely because the two that post here most do a pretty good job of explaining these kids of things and they usually are aware of (or know how to quickly find) Supreme Court decisions to the topic. But you didn't specify real, documented and certified lawyers. Hence your reply from a make-believe one. Well, we're certifiable. Close enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #11 August 10, 2011 Quote Quote Sure. Congress has the authority to nake rules, including delegation of authority. Picture regulations. Congress may delegate the authority to the executive branch to make rules and regulations that carry the effect of law. We lawyers treat these as law unless they conflict with a statute. In the event of a conflict a statute reigns supreme. Congress frequently delegates responsibility. In this case the committee looks like it will draft a law for an up or down vote. Congress can do that. Ha! You misspelled "make". And I would have preferred to see commas interposed between "as law" and "unless they", and between "in this case" and "the committee". There, are, already, too, many, commas, in, most written, sentences.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 August 10, 2011 Anyhoo, parsing commas ain't always twaddle. For example: "Eats shoots and leaves" would describe the dietary habits of many herbivores. Whereas, "Eats, shoots and leaves" would describe a bandito who mooches a meal at the local diner, and departs without paying his bill, after discharging a firearm. Just one little comma! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 August 10, 2011 QuoteBut you didn't specify real, documented and certified lawyers. Hence your reply from a make-believe one. Could be worse, I could be one of the people that doesn't have a clue about basics of government and therefore has to rely on the opinions of others to tell me what to think like some jackasses I know.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 August 10, 2011 Quote has to rely on the opinions of others to tell me what to think like some jackasses I know. is that "tell me what to think, like some jackasses I know" or "tell me what, to think like some jackasses, I know" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 August 10, 2011 Indeed! And it's not just commas: "Free consultation. No money down." becomes "Free consultation? No. Money down." by merely changing two bases of punctuation. cite - Lionel Hutz My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 August 10, 2011 QuoteAnyhoo, parsing commas ain't always twaddle. For example: "Eats shoots and leaves" would describe the dietary habits of many herbivores. Whereas, "Eats, shoots and leaves" would describe a bandito who mooches a meal at the local diner, and departs without paying his bill, after discharging a firearm. Just one little comma! Well, that's up for debate. Look at the title of the book again and you'll see at least one other way it could be interpreted. One way would be somebody ate (which could simply be a metaphor) the partnership of "Shoots & Leaves" since the ampersand in modern usage denotes partnerships of wholes rather than a listing of individual items.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuote has to rely on the opinions of others to tell me what to think like some jackasses I know. is that "tell me what to think, like some jackasses I know" or "tell me what, to think like some jackasses, I know" See! Again with the comma placement parsing! Shall we tackle one more interesting? I have a suggestion that could bring this thread full circle.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 August 10, 2011 I can also tell you that after a low deployment Tom Aiello went from having a : to a ; and back again to a :. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 August 10, 2011 Quote I can also tell you that after a low deployment Tom Aiello went from having a : to a ; and back again to a :. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #20 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteBut you didn't specify real, documented and certified lawyers. Hence your reply from a make-believe one. Could be worse, I could be one of the people that doesn't have a clue about basics of government and therefore has to rely on the opinions of others to tell me what to think like some jackasses I know. Could be a lot better. Somebody could have let a real lawyer answer the question that was posed to the lawyers here.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #21 August 10, 2011 QuoteAnyhoo, parsing commas ain't always twaddle. For example: "Eats shoots and leaves" would describe the dietary habits of many herbivores. Whereas, "Eats, shoots and leaves" would describe a bandito who mooches a meal at the local diner, and departs without paying his bill, after discharging a firearm. Just one little comma! A bandito? Why would you automatically assume that it would be a Mexican that would pop off a cap during a dine & dash? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #22 August 10, 2011 Quote Could be worse, I could be one of the people that doesn't have a clue about basics of government and therefore has to rely on the opinions of others to tell me what to think like some jackasses I know. Just to appease you, I'll refrain from asking other peoples' viewpoints before cementing my own opinion in the future. Instead of seeking more information I'll just entrench myself in my beliefs based only on what I currently know. Heaven forbid should someone admit when they have a lack of knowledge in a certain area and ask someone more knowledgeable. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #23 August 10, 2011 Quote Could be worse, I think like some jackasses. Cleaned it up for you. Enough commas, just too many words. Now, j/k Quade...no need to wad up panties. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuote Could be worse, I could be one of the people that doesn't have a clue about basics of government and therefore has to rely on the opinions of others to tell me what to think like some jackasses I know. Just to appease you, I'll refrain from asking other peoples' viewpoints before cementing my own opinion in the future. Instead of seeking more information I'll just entrench myself in my beliefs based only on what I currently know. Heaven forbid should someone admit when they have a lack of knowledge in a certain area and ask someone more knowledgeable. The comment wasn't directed at you. I'm unclear why you continue to treat every response from me in this thread as if I'm directing them at you. Odd really. Unless I mention you by name, TrophyHusband, it's probably better for you to assume a comment isn't about you. Which again, was absolutely the case here.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 August 10, 2011 QuoteNow, wad up panties. Which is, I suppose, what everybody here absolutely must feel like they have to do with every comment made.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
