dreamdancer 0 #326 August 12, 2011 so we have an old, corrupt and rich man (who just happens to own a newspaper to promote his views)bemoaning the state of the youth...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #327 August 12, 2011 Like Sir Hugh Orde would need a out of touch hopeless excuse of a home secretary to tell him how to do his job He was Policing riots of NI while she was knocking on doors as a wannabe politico. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #328 August 12, 2011 Quote Sort of ironic that it is from the WSJ, with the recent Murdoch empire controversy I read the WSJ every day. They've run several opinion articles about that controversy. Other than increasing font size and adding a sports page (), Murdoch has left them alone.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #329 August 12, 2011 Looook out the bankers are coming the bankers are coming!!!!!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #330 August 12, 2011 Quote and the police shooting tune is familiar... (remember what sparked this all off') Interesting ... the police shot dead a man in my city the other night and I didn't see rioters in the streets of Calgary, Alberta, Canada burning it to the ground because of this fatal police shooting. You know when then cops are doing their job taking down bad guys who are out to cause trouble, sometimes the citizens appreciate the difficult job that the police are tasked with doing. Just because you hate cops doesn't mean the rest of us are like you. http://www.calgaryherald.com/Calgary+officer+kills+suspected+truck+thief/5242742/story.html Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #331 August 12, 2011 QuoteNo it was the people them selves - the ones on the streets committing the crimes - NOONE FORCED THEM TO START FIRES, STEAL or MURDER (how many now?). I want a new tellie and a pair of trainers - but I DON'T want them THAT badly. Shroppy, your post in bonfire inspired me. I have a good solution for the problem here. Give all the cops bagpipes. That'll clear the streets in no time!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #332 August 12, 2011 Quote Quote No it was the people them selves - the ones on the streets committing the crimes - NOONE FORCED THEM TO START FIRES, STEAL or MURDER (how many now?). I want a new tellie and a pair of trainers - but I DON'T want them THAT badly. Shroppy, your post in bonfire inspired me. I have a good solution for the problem here. Give all the cops bagpipes. That'll clear the streets in no time! It would work too (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #333 August 12, 2011 Oh I've just thought up some new lyrics for the English national anthem ... Jerusalem.. "In Englands greed & peasant Land...." (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #334 August 12, 2011 QuoteGive all the cops bagpipes. That'll clear the streets in no time! Great idea Andy! Bagpipes from one direction, accordions from the other, and a bunch of soundproof paddy wagons as the only escape. Problem solved! Or perhaps just a cop with a loudspeaker, reading Speaker's Corner threads out loud. But maybe that would be excessively cruel. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #335 August 12, 2011 QuoteOh I've just thought up some new lyrics for the English national anthem ... Jerusalem.. "In Englands greed & peasant Land...." It has a ring to it.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #336 August 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteOh I've just thought up some new lyrics for the English national anthem ... Jerusalem.. "In Englands greed & peasant Land...." It has a ring to it. Sadly, it does :-( (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #337 August 12, 2011 this is what the murdoch newsrag said which caused the family so much upset - just think if they hadn't reported lies then this whole incident may never have happened... QuotePC hit as cops kill gunman Bullet hit radio By DAN SALES and CHRIS POLLARD Published: 05 Aug 2011 A GUNMAN was killed by cops last night in a shoot-out in which an officer survived when a bullet seemingly hit his radio. He was downed by a marksman after firing first and hitting the officer. Witnesses said police had shouted at the man to stop but he ignored them. He was named locally as father-of-four Mark Duggan, 29. The drama happened at 6.15pm near Tottenham Hale underground station in North London. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3734274/PC-hit-as-cops-kill-gunman.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #338 August 12, 2011 Question: Did Mark Duggan threaten the police in anyway? Did he fire a weapon in the direction of the police officer? If the answer is "yes" then he got exactly what he deserved. Trust me I know cops are not angels. I know many (not all) cops have a certain "power trip" personality. But they have a difficult job where they put their lives on the line everyday to keep the peace in society. Whenever I interact with a cop, I make a point to show them a certain level of respect so that they know I am no threat to them. Because of this, I have yet (knock on wood) to be hurt by a cop. Too bad criminals think cops should not be respected. Then again, there is a reason why we call them criminals. They have no respect for the law. Why are you defending this criminal, the late Mark Duggan? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #339 August 12, 2011 It has nothing to do with Mark Duggen. I have actual footage of what started off the riots in Tottenham right here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtUWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #340 August 12, 2011 Quote It has nothing to do with Mark Duggen. I have actual footage of what started off the riots in Tottenham right here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU Never was implying Mr Duggen was the cause of the UK riots. But I see where you are coming from. Once the monkeys arm themselves there is no turning back. But you are not the only one who has a problem with monkeys and AK47s. Check out this one of ours (of course he has also spent time in the UK and the USA so we did not create him by ourselves): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1-g2B-qa8c and to think only a few short months ago, this monkey could have become our PM. But democracy spoke and our AK47 shooting ape is back in school where he belongs since he clearly still has a lot more about the world still to learn. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #341 August 12, 2011 QuoteDid he fire a weapon in the direction of the police officer? As yet there is no evidence that he fired his weapon at all. Which would mean the bullet found in the police radio was fired by another officer. Which, in turn, raises more questions than it answers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #342 August 12, 2011 QuoteAs yet there is no evidence that he fired his weapon at all. Did he point a weapon at the police and/or was he holding a weapon and refused to obey their orders for him to disarm himself? If yes, then he got exactly what he deserved. Once again, cops are not my favorite people. But I sure do not want to live in a society where the only time cops are allowed to defend themselves is after the criminals have fired the first shot. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #343 August 12, 2011 You're not kidding, I read 'Warrior's Honour: Ethnic War and the Modern Conscience', which he published in '97. What a total load of dross.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #344 August 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteAs yet there is no evidence that he fired his weapon at all. Did he point a weapon at the police and/or was he holding a weapon and refused to obey their orders for him to disarm himself? If yes, then he got exactly what he deserved. Once again, cops are not my favorite people. But I sure do not want to live in a society where the only time cops are allowed to defend themselves is after the criminals have fired the first shot. That remains as yet unknown to the public.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #345 August 12, 2011 QuoteDid he point a weapon at the police and/or was he holding a weapon and refused to obey their orders for him to disarm himself? No idea, I only know what's been reported. If I were being cynical I would suggest that if he had threatened officers then a statement would have been released by the Met saying so. To be perfectly honest, what interests me more is how a police officer happened to shoot another police officer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #346 August 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs yet there is no evidence that he fired his weapon at all. Did he point a weapon at the police and/or was he holding a weapon and refused to obey their orders for him to disarm himself? If yes, then he got exactly what he deserved. Once again, cops are not my favorite people. But I sure do not want to live in a society where the only time cops are allowed to defend themselves is after the criminals have fired the first shot. That remains as yet unknown to the public. The Calgary public (the city I live in) has no proof that the man killed by the police the other night threatened them with a screw driver like the police have alleged through the media. We have to take their word that what they said, happened. But we are not tearing apart our city as the result of this latest killing. In fact there was not even a protest. Yes different culture, different mindset (oh and anyone who says Calgary is a city for whites only has never set foot here. We have people from every country in the world living here and my immediate area is dominated by the Chinese). I would like to believe that there are millions of rational sensible people in the UK and am happy to see the violence for now has stopped. It took great strength for the father of the son killed by the hit and run driver after the riots started to do what he did in calling for people to be calm. My point in all of this is just to say, I have no sympathy for anyone who threatens the police in anyway. Cops are not my favorite people, but they do deserve a certain amount of respect for the difficult jobs they do. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #347 August 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteDid he point a weapon at the police and/or was he holding a weapon and refused to obey their orders for him to disarm himself? No idea, I only know what's been reported. If I were being cynical I would suggest that if he had threatened officers then a statement would have been released by the Met saying so. To be perfectly honest, what interests me more is how a police officer happened to shoot another police officer. Maybe the other copper was Brazilian?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #348 August 12, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Did he point a weapon at the police and/or was he holding a weapon and refused to obey their orders for him to disarm himself? No idea, I only know what's been reported. If I were being cynical I would suggest that if he had threatened officers then a statement would have been released by the Met saying so. To be perfectly honest, what interests me more is how a police officer happened to shoot another police officer. Maybe the other copper was Brazilian? Haha, took me a second I just read that it was probably a ricochet, none of which is particularly reassuring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 616 #349 August 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs yet there is no evidence that he fired his weapon at all. Did he point a weapon at the police and/or was he holding a weapon and refused to obey their orders for him to disarm himself? If yes, then he got exactly what he deserved. Once again, cops are not my favorite people. But I sure do not want to live in a society where the only time cops are allowed to defend themselves is after the criminals have fired the first shot. That remains as yet unknown to the public. Just remember that in the UK possession of an illegal firearm means that the police WILL treat you as a high risk suspect. Mark was going to be arrested not by normal street bobbies but by officers from operation Trident. To my knowledge the only truly "innocent" person to be shot by UK police was Menezie (not sure of spelling).Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #350 August 13, 2011 Hi Nigel As far as I'm concerned I could give a damn about Duggen. Trident don't follow people and stop them on a whim, plus he was carrying a firearm of some description. The police shot him, well tough titty. If he wasn't carrying then maybe he'd still be alive. I have no sympathy for him, I feel more sorry for the Police who shot him.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
