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One of our current Presidents' campaign themes was transparency.
Yet it appears to me that this administration is as secretive as any previous.

Do you ,as a citizen, expect your government to be completely open and candid with you or do you think it is alright if the government lies to you?


"When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything—you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
—Robert A. Heinlein, If This Goes On, 1940

The war has never been about terror, but rather a plausible (for the semi-retarded flouridated people) explanation to funnel wealth to multi-national corporations and the power-elite and a slow, steady decline of the US and all nation-states.

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"Your country has a system free enough to let its heroes work at their trade. It should last a long time — unless its looseness is destroyed from inside." ~ Robert A. Heinlein, Glory Road, 1963.



So then are you alright with a government which lies to or hides from it's citizens the Truth?

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Give me some of these Truths.



How about the Truth about Ben Laden.
We haven't had the truth about that whole deal.

The guy was a CIA operative . He died dec 01.

The "strike force" that went into Pakistan was a FAIL;


The military is so inept they couldn't even collect a frozen body!
Instead they crashed the helocopter and now they execute all these guys to cover the tracks.
Dead Men Tell No Tales.

9-11 , isn't it about time we talk about that one or at least have access to the video tapes the gov't confiscated?


I know .., conspiracy whacko!

Iran - Contra !

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The military is so inept they couldn't even collect a frozen body!
Instead they crashed the helocopter and now they execute all these guys to cover the tracks.
Dead Men Tell No Tales.

9-11 , isn't it about time we talk about that one or at least have access to the video tapes the gov't confiscated?



obligatory nanothermite reference.

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The military is so inept they couldn't even collect a frozen body!
Instead they crashed the helocopter and now they execute all these guys to cover the tracks.
Dead Men Tell No Tales.

9-11 , isn't it about time we talk about that one or at least have access to the video tapes the gov't confiscated?



obligatory nanothermite reference.


LOL!
But really, how could it hurt national security to release the surveilience tapes from the cameras in close proximity to the Pentagon?
How does it hurt national security to name those who placed put options on AA and United stock?

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How about the Truth about Ben Laden.
We haven't had the truth about that whole deal.



What is the lie here? And how would you know if what is the truth or a lie since you have an serious limit to the knoweldge of how things work in this arena?

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I know .., conspiracy whacko



Thanks for saying it for me:)
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"Your country has a system free enough to let its heroes work at their trade. It should last a long time — unless its looseness is destroyed from inside." ~ Robert A. Heinlein, Glory Road, 1963.



So then are you alright with a government which lies to or hides from it's citizens the Truth?



All governments must keep certain things secret from their enemies. Since the citizenry can not be trusted to keep secrets from the enemies, it therefore follows that all governments must keep certain things secret from their citizens.

As long as you seek a 100% black and white solution to the problem, you will always be woefully disappointed in the result.
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How about the Truth about Ben Laden.
We haven't had the truth about that whole deal.



***What is the lie here? And how would you know if what is the truth or a lie since you have an serious limit to the knoweldge of how things work in this arena?
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Exactly my point. If the citizenry doesn't have access to the complete records of their own government, how can they possibly make informed decisions at election ?

For a free society to exist there must be transparancy of government.

One lie grows into a multitude of lies where lies are made to cover lies.

I never consented to be govened by an entity which lies to me.

If your wife treated you in like manner I'm certain you'ld petition for divorce.

If a government lies to the people they cease to be a legitimate government.

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you completely missed my point. I was saying: How is the "truth" going to help you if you don't have the experience or knowledge to condem or give props to military operations. You do not know what to do with the information. Or what it means.

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Exactly my point. If the citizenry doesn't have access to the complete records of their own government, how can they possibly make informed decisions at election ?



there's a difference between secret govt programs and individual people. It's called common sense. You have complete records of how the person you are electing has voted in the past. Nobody in the public sector is safe from scrutiny.
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you completely missed my point. I was saying: How is the "truth" going to help you if you don't have the experience or knowledge to condem or give props to military operations. You do not know what to do with the information. Or what it means.



Oh no, you got it all wrong. Dan never said he didn't know...he said that the citizenry doesn't know. Dan believes he is God and has all knowledge by accessing the Akashic recods through astral projection...too bad cameras don't have out-of-body experiences and can't acompany him on his magical mystery tours...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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Oh no, you got it all wrong. Dan never said he didn't know...he said that the citizenry doesn't know. Dan believes he is God and has all knowledge by accessing the Akashic recods through astral projection...
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Coreece' statement is mostly true and each of us has these same abilities however latent.

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has all knowledge by accessing the Akashic recods through astral projection



I here that's a difficult skill to acquire... :D

Not at all . One need only look within themselves and connect with the (their) spirit.
As spirit one can * look* at the entire physical universe like peering into an aquarium.
The whole of time is available at a glance from the perspective of spirit.

Time is a MAN ifestation for the physical realm. Time was made for Man and there is a beginning and and end of time.


* for lack of better description of the realizations involved

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You have complete records of how the person you are electing has voted in the past. Nobody in the public sector is safe from scrutiny.



Which of our representatives, Nanook, voted to supress the survelience video which was confiscated from private cameras in close proximaty to the Pentagon on 9-11?

Did any of our representatives vote to do that?



"Nano- thermite" . Beat ya to it! LOL!

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Which of our representatives, Nanook, voted to supress the survelience video which was confiscated from private cameras in close proximaty to the Pentagon on 9-11?



Doesn't matter to me. Seems like they believed what I believe. . . Why make public domain the Bin-Laden's successful attack? It will become a trophy to his success. Besides, the videos can help help AQ plan better attacks.
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Oh no, you got it all wrong. Dan never said he didn't know...he said that the citizenry doesn't know. Dan believes he is God and has all knowledge by accessing the Akashic recods through astral projection...

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Coreece' statement is mostly true and each of us has these same abilities however latent.



I'm sorry dude, but you are so full of shit.

You claim to have all knowledge...prove it.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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Oh no, you got it all wrong. Dan never said he didn't know...he said that the citizenry doesn't know. Dan believes he is God and has all knowledge by accessing the Akashic recods through astral projection...

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Coreece' statement is mostly true and each of us has these same abilities however latent.



I'm sorry dude, but you are so full of shit.

You claim to have all knowledge...prove it.



As aggressive as your reply to him may be - and no, I don't believe Dan has his "abilities" either (except the ability to troll) - the simple fact is that you are one believer in the spiritual/non-corporeal calling bullshit on another person's claimed belief in the spiritual/non-corporeal. To put it kindly, you're applying an intellectual double-standard: one for your non-corporeal beliefs, and another for others' beliefs.

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To put it kindly, you're applying an intellectual double-standard: one for your non-corporeal beliefs, and another for others' beliefs.



Really? Claiming to know everything about the physical world is a non-corporeal belief? You seem confused counselor.

There are many atheists here who think they know everything too...however, they're not so stupid to actually say it.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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Coreece' statement is mostly true and each of us has these same abilities however latent.



I'm sorry dude, but you are so full of shit.

You claim to have all knowledge...prove it.


If, he really does have all knowledge he should already know all govt. secrets. If, he does in fact have all knowledge, he should know the numbers for the Power Ball Lottery! :ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:


Chuck

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I'm sorry dude, but you are so full of shit.

You claim to have all knowledge...prove it.



If you believe that your god is omniscient and a perfect creator ,and if you believe the Bible to be the divinely inspired word of god then as my proof I simply submit the Biblical claim that we are created in gods' image.
Certainly the Bible isn't referencing god as being humanoid in form so it must be referencing our Spirit that is in his image.
As god is a "perfect creator" my Spirit must be a *spitting image* of god and as such has all of the same qualities of god. One of which is omniscience.

If your god is real and the Bible is correct than each of us must have access to all knowledge.

If that doesn't proove for you that I have all knowledge try this;.., I know that you whack off almost daily.

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I do know the numbers to the powerball.

If you will bow down and worship me , hold no other gods before me ,testify to others of my Wisdom and Beneviolence(I know that word isn't in your dictionary yet. It means violence for your benefit or growth lesson), and eat all your peas , I will reveal them to one of you.

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