hwt 0 #26 August 5, 2011 Reagan increased the debt by 1.8 trillion over 8 years the result GPA 6.5 to 8.5 % 16 million jobs created. Obama added over 3 trillion to the debt in 2 years ( so far ) result GPA was 4/10 of one percent in the first quarter . created 18 thousand jobs in June.Do you want this clown to borrow more money from China or to simply print more paper?. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #27 August 6, 2011 Quote Do you want this clown to borrow more money from China or to simply print more paper?. i want him to tax the rich - who are the richest they have ever been in human history and who can afford to pay off the deficit they created...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #28 August 6, 2011 Quotei want him to tax the rich Wow you just sacked up and said it! Quoteand who can afford to pay As far as you thinking that you 'know' what someone else 'can' afford.. ummm you don't because .. wait for it .. You're not them!!! ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #29 August 6, 2011 we know they can, at the very least, afford to pay back what they've received in tax cuts...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #30 August 6, 2011 Quote Quote Do you want this clown to borrow more money from China or to simply print more paper?. i want him to tax the rich - who are the richest they have ever been in human history and who can afford to pay off the deficit they created... ________________________________ That is all you socialist think about is dividing people into "categories" the rich versus the poor. the middle class the minorities the ( fill in the blank ) we need a flat tax system. A system that no longer permits socialist to pin one group of people against another. ( By the way i am poor ) We are all Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #31 August 6, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Do you want this clown to borrow more money from China or to simply print more paper?. i want him to tax the rich - who are the richest they have ever been in human history and who can afford to pay off the deficit they created... ________________________________ That is all you socialist think about. no, i'm not a banker...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #32 August 6, 2011 Quotewe know they can, at the very least, afford to pay back what they've received in tax cuts... I want to comment on your thread's title. I think you should take a moment and sit down with someone who remembers the early 30's. Even remotely comparing the current situation to the Great Depression is nothing short of an insult to that generation. Many of today's "poor" watch TV in the air conditioning while texting their friends about scratchoff tickets. And after an excess of fastfood renders them too fat to walk they will order their free scooter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #33 August 6, 2011 Quote we need a flat tax system. A system that no longer permits socialist to pin one group of people against another. ( By the way i am poor ) Well said. Quote We are all Americans. Except for dreamdancer.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #34 August 6, 2011 QuoteQuotewe know they can, at the very least, afford to pay back what they've received in tax cuts... I want to comment on your thread's title. I think you should take a moment and sit down with someone who remembers the early 30's. Even remotely comparing the current situation to the Great Depression is nothing short of an insult to that generation. they paid the price - and you won't even learn the lesson...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #35 August 6, 2011 Quotethey paid the price - and you won't even learn the lesson... um ok Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 August 6, 2011 I don't think bi-paritsan posts are particularly helpful. Its America's self hatred that has brought it to its knees. People may mock outside in other countries but its going to be painful for them too. Our economies are so intertwined and interdependent that bad news for the US is bad news for all. The empire certainly looks like its torn itself to the verge of destruction I just wonder if it can come back from where it is now. I suspect that we'll all be learning Chinese in the not to distant future, much like school kids in Australia do.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #37 August 6, 2011 Quotepay back what they've received in tax cuts... We all "received" an income tax cut. When our government decides to confiscate less of what we have earned, this does not constitute a gift, a grant, or anything of substance. Although it's a lesser degree of penalization for our success, the dispoportionate taxation of those most successful still continues. Only a liberal imagination could stretch this into some kind of great gift that the wealthy have received from the government. In reality, it's more like a thief announcing that he will not steal as much from us. An even greater liberal spin is that this imaginary "gift" has been stolen from another class of people and handed over to the wealthy. Can you say "class warfare?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #38 August 6, 2011 QuoteCan you say "class warfare?" can you say 'the rich started it'...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #39 August 6, 2011 ***We all "received" an income tax cut. Quote Considering the hidden income tax, inflation , are you certain we've all recieved a cut? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites captain_stan 0 #40 August 6, 2011 Quotecan you say 'the rich started it'... No. I'm less interested in who started class warfare, in assigning blame for it, or perpetuating it. I'm on the low end of the income scale but still refuse to vote for stealing from the rich. After all, that's still just plain stealing. Finger-pointing isn't solving any of our problems, and this long-term plan for the wealthy to prop-up our sagging standard of living can't have a happy ending. No matter how good it might feel to blame them, we need a better solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites captain_stan 0 #41 August 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteWe all "received" an income tax cut. Considering the hidden income tax, inflation , are you certain we've all recieved a cut? No, I'm only certain of what I said. Did I say "we've all received a cut?" No, I specifically referred to an "income tax cut." OK, for the hair-splitters: All of us who pay federal income tax received an income tax cut during GW's administration--don't start in on me, I'm not a fan, just stating a fact. This income tax cut has been extended under the current administration and remains in effect now. We pay many other taxes, both federal and local, which are beyond the scope of my comment. And AAMOF, inflation taxes those of us who have savings in dollars, regardless of our income. Feel better now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #42 August 6, 2011 QuoteQuotecan you say 'the rich started it'... No. I'm less interested in who started class warfare, so you agree that the rich started it - but think that the poor shouldn't defend themselves...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites captain_stan 0 #43 August 6, 2011 Quoteso you agree that the rich started it Did I say that? Quote - but think that the poor shouldn't defend themselves... Did I say that? I suggest that you permit others to define their own ideas. You won't learn anything by trying to fit others into your own ideology or spinning their assertions. But OTOH, maybe you're not really interested in exchanging ideas or learning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #44 August 6, 2011 you're saying there is 'class warfare' - but think it should just 'stop'. yes?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanJohnson 0 #45 August 6, 2011 Feel better now? Yes! Do you feel more educated toward the fact that due to inflation there was no real tax cut for most of us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #40 August 6, 2011 Quotecan you say 'the rich started it'... No. I'm less interested in who started class warfare, in assigning blame for it, or perpetuating it. I'm on the low end of the income scale but still refuse to vote for stealing from the rich. After all, that's still just plain stealing. Finger-pointing isn't solving any of our problems, and this long-term plan for the wealthy to prop-up our sagging standard of living can't have a happy ending. No matter how good it might feel to blame them, we need a better solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #41 August 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteWe all "received" an income tax cut. Considering the hidden income tax, inflation , are you certain we've all recieved a cut? No, I'm only certain of what I said. Did I say "we've all received a cut?" No, I specifically referred to an "income tax cut." OK, for the hair-splitters: All of us who pay federal income tax received an income tax cut during GW's administration--don't start in on me, I'm not a fan, just stating a fact. This income tax cut has been extended under the current administration and remains in effect now. We pay many other taxes, both federal and local, which are beyond the scope of my comment. And AAMOF, inflation taxes those of us who have savings in dollars, regardless of our income. Feel better now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #42 August 6, 2011 QuoteQuotecan you say 'the rich started it'... No. I'm less interested in who started class warfare, so you agree that the rich started it - but think that the poor shouldn't defend themselves...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #43 August 6, 2011 Quoteso you agree that the rich started it Did I say that? Quote - but think that the poor shouldn't defend themselves... Did I say that? I suggest that you permit others to define their own ideas. You won't learn anything by trying to fit others into your own ideology or spinning their assertions. But OTOH, maybe you're not really interested in exchanging ideas or learning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #44 August 6, 2011 you're saying there is 'class warfare' - but think it should just 'stop'. yes?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #45 August 6, 2011 Feel better now? Yes! Do you feel more educated toward the fact that due to inflation there was no real tax cut for most of us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #46 August 6, 2011 Quoteyou're saying there is 'class warfare' - but think it should just 'stop'. yes? Our country is indeed being politically divided along income lines, and this division is threatening our future. Of course I think we'd be better off with less blame-shifting and less hate-mongering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #47 August 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteyou're saying there is 'class warfare' - but think it should just 'stop'. yes? Our country is indeed being politically divided along income lines, and this division is threatening our future. Of course I think we'd be better off with less blame-shifting and less hate-mongering. all the rich have to do is take their tax increases like good citizens and all will be fine...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #48 August 6, 2011 QuoteDo you feel more educated toward the fact that due to inflation there was no real tax cut for most of us? No, I don't think you've explained that very well. I don't know about "most of us," but I'm personally affected by both factors. My bank account has less buying power because of inflation, but at the same time I'm paying way less in income tax so I realize a net gain. Since the rate of saving in the US is so low, I'm guessing that lower income tax has a greater positive effect than inflation's negative. But OTOH, I'm told that about half of US households pay no income tax anyway, so they won't benefit from a lower rate which makes me wonder what would these folks would have to complain about anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #49 August 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteDo you feel more educated toward the fact that due to inflation there was no real tax cut for most of us? No, I don't think you've explained that very well. I don't know about "most of us," but I'm personally affected by both factors. My bank account has less buying power because of inflation, but at the same time I'm paying way less in income tax so I realize a net gain. you pay less tax but more for your weekly shopping is the arguement...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #50 August 6, 2011 Quoteall the rich have to do is take their tax increases like good citizens and all will be fine... Agreed--that would be one solution. Another would be for everyone to take responsibility for themselves, including you. I vote for #2, but hey--that's just me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
