quade 4 #26 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuote It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs... I'm taking liberties here in truncating your statement, but it's one that's true none the less. Society needs to take care of their own needs. Get a job, pay your bills, live within your means. Our government must expect personal responsibility, and responsibility to one's family. They don't. Instead, they foster dependence. It's a cycle that will only end in tears for everyone. I'm not sure where the correct balance is, but the pendulum needs to swing the other way right now, and by alot. And I'm not talking about that. People get hung up on the word "society" as if it equates to socialist programs. It doesn't. It means we're ALL in this grand adventure called the USA together. I'm talking about ALL the other things that are part of any government's responsibility to it's citizens. Ya know, the stuff right up there at the top of the US Constitution. Quote We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Exactly who the F did you think was going to pay for that? Magic tax fairies? No. Obviously, it's "We the People."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #27 August 2, 2011 Quote Exactly who the F did you think was going to pay for that? Magic tax fairies? I've never said I favor no taxes. But taking 50% of income (e.g. all bonuses on Wall Street are taxed at the level, independent of the person's other income) is confiscatory.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 August 2, 2011 QuoteI've never said I favor no taxes. Great! You've admitted that people have to pay taxes. Some people can't figure that out for some silly reason. QuoteBut taking 50% of income (e.g. all bonuses on Wall Street are taxed at the level, independent of the person's other income) is confiscatory. You seem to be extremely precise by your amount of taxes, 50%, but fail miserably at defining what you mean by "all bonuses on Wall Street." Are you talking about hedge fund managers and capital gains? Is that your beef? Wall Street guys gambling with retirement funds? I'm not really certain what it is you're complaining about here. Quite a few people in the upper tax brackets make a huge game out of loopholes. If everyone actually just paid their f'in' taxes, it would go a long way to fix things, but lobbyists keep getting new tax loopholes inserted in the tax code. That's a very big reason the tax code is currently so large. It has little to do with the average person that pays taxes. It's all about the loopholes.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #29 August 2, 2011 Quote I'm not really certain what it is you're complaining about here. I'm saying our Federal Govt has a massive spending problem. It's ridiculous to compare Bush's spending with Obama's spending. Annual deficits under Bush were around $100B. That's the monthly deficit under Obama. There's not enough taxes to fund that level of spending.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #30 August 2, 2011 QuoteMagic tax fairies? Definitely what we need.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuote Exactly who the F did you think was going to pay for that? Magic tax fairies? I've never said I favor no taxes. But taking 50% of income (e.g. all bonuses on Wall Street are taxed at the level, independent of the person's other income) is confiscatory. Uh, bonuses are taxed like any other form of income. There are some guidelines that may increase the withholding when the bonuses are paid out, but come filing time, it's the tax brackets and we don't have a 50% bracket. Now some legislators made proposals to tax at 50%, pandering to the mob, but that didn't go anywhere. Dodd - Frank did result in the FDIC creating a clawback provision for up to 2 years, but it only applies to a few. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #32 August 2, 2011 Quote it's the tax brackets and we don't have a 50% bracket. Ahck, come to find out, that's withholding. My wife just corrected me, also. Just learned something today We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #33 August 3, 2011 Quote What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. It is puzzling. Here in Lawrence county, MO. 67.70% of the registered voters are republican. Income: The median income for a household in the county was $31,239, and the median income for a family was $36,846. Males had a median income of $27,309 versus $18,990 for females. The per capita income for the county was $15,399. About 11.00% of families and 14.10% of the population were below the poverty line, including 19.50% of those under age 18 and 11.80% of those age 65 or over. There are a large number in this county that use food stamps, among other entitlements. This is 101%, hardcore bible belt. The name Obama is viewed as a curse word, yet it is not at all uncommon to see a food voucher card at the check-out at the grocery store. The republican party is pushed heavily in this area and the very same people who scream about entitlements are the people using them!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #34 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. It is puzzling. Here in Lawrence county, MO. 67.70% of the registered voters are republican. Income: The median income for a household in the county was $31,239, and the median income for a family was $36,846. Males had a median income of $27,309 versus $18,990 for females. The per capita income for the county was $15,399. About 11.00% of families and 14.10% of the population were below the poverty line, including 19.50% of those under age 18 and 11.80% of those age 65 or over. There are a large number in this county that use food stamps, among other entitlements. This is 101%, hardcore bible belt. The name Obama is viewed as a curse word, yet it is not at all uncommon to see a food voucher card at the check-out at the grocery store. The republican party is pushed heavily in this area and the very same people who scream about entitlements are the people using them! By and large rural America equates traditional and Christian values with the Republican party. The disconnect in economics is widely overlooked.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 August 3, 2011 Well that just cain't be .....every good rePUBIClown KNOWS that only THOSE people in urban people iz on that welfare thang since all them rural rePUBIClowns have pulled they selves up by they boot straps.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #36 August 3, 2011 QuoteBy and large rural America equates traditional and Christian values with the Republican party. The disconnect in economics is widely overlooked. And they still believe the Reagan lie and see Bush as the resurrection. They still believe that Obama is a Muslim. Any bad mouthing of big business is worthy of a stoning. Never is heard a discouraging word and the delusional are cloudy all day..."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #37 August 3, 2011 Quote Well that just cain't be .....every good rePUBIClown KNOWS that only THOSE people in urban people iz on that welfare thang since all them rural rePUBIClowns have pulled they selves up by they boot straps.. Yay! More useful middleschool commentary! Here... pull my finger! "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote By and large rural America equates traditional and Christian values with the Republican party. The disconnect in economics is widely overlooked. And they still believe the Reagan lie and see Bush as the resurrection. They still believe that Obama is a Muslim. Any bad mouthing of big business is worthy of a stoning. Never is heard a discouraging word and the delusional are cloudy all day... You guys are funny biggoted but funny "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #39 August 3, 2011 QuoteGreat! You've admitted that people have to pay taxes. Some people can't figure that out for some silly reason. who might that be? - we have one single nut on these boards claiming the income tax is unconstitutional and he gets mocked whenever he brings it up by about everybody ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #40 August 3, 2011 QuoteBy and large rural America equates traditional and Christian values with the Republican party. The disconnect in economics is widely overlooked. QuoteAnd they still believe the Reagan lie and see Bush as the resurrection. They still believe that Obama is a Muslim. Any bad mouthing of big business is worthy of a stoning. Never is heard a discouraging word and the delusional are cloudy all day... just 'rural'? I call bullshit stereotyping and partisan bigotry the disconnects in economics is nation wide - the political parties are divided over social issues there is no party of fiscal responsibility - the Tea Party tried to move that way before they were tainted by the social righties and marginalized by the social lefties and the social lefty media ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #41 August 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteGreat! You've admitted that people have to pay taxes. Some people can't figure that out for some silly reason. who might that be? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/12/national/main4342535.shtml http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/ http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/16/news/companies/ge_7000_tax_returns/quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #42 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote By and large rural America equates traditional and Christian values with the Republican party. The disconnect in economics is widely overlooked. Quote And they still believe the Reagan lie and see Bush as the resurrection. They still believe that Obama is a Muslim. Any bad mouthing of big business is worthy of a stoning. Never is heard a discouraging word and the delusional are cloudy all day... just 'rural'? I call bullshit stereotyping and partisan bigotry the disconnects in economics is nation wide - the political parties are divided over social issues there is no party of fiscal responsibility - the Tea Party tried to move that way before they were tainted by the social righties and marginalized by the social lefties and the social lefty media Agreed, there is no party of fiscal responsibility. The problem with stereotypes is that quite often, buried within the "bullshit" is a grain of truth. I live in "rural" America. I have voted red in every election in the last 12 years. What I have come to realize is this, it doesn't matter what your political party truly represents. Most people I encounter will not go beyond sound bites or superficial stereotypes, and actually look at the voting record of a candidate. I admit, I used to be just as lazy. What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #43 August 3, 2011 Quote What I have come to realize is this, it doesn't matter what your political party truly represents. Most people I encounter will not go beyond sound bites or superficial stereotypes, and actually look at the voting record of a candidate. I admit, I used to be just as lazy. and that's not rural - that's everywhere - I've been rural and metro, and, frankly, I find the shallow approach you mention above to be worse in the urban areas, though crappy in both - hell look at speaker's corner ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #44 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote What I have come to realize is this, it doesn't matter what your political party truly represents. Most people I encounter will not go beyond sound bites or superficial stereotypes, and actually look at the voting record of a candidate. I admit, I used to be just as lazy. and that's not rural - that's everywhere - I've been rural and metro, and, frankly, I find the shallow approach you mention above to be worse in the urban areas, though crappy in both - hell look at speaker's corner Understood. I misspoke limiting that attitude to rural america. What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #45 August 3, 2011 Quote The republican party is pushed heavily in this area and the very same people who scream about entitlements are the people using them! i've always understood the word 'entitlement' to be a dog whistle word to mean 'black' ...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #46 August 3, 2011 Quote i've always understood the word 'entitlement' to be a dog whistle word to mean 'black' ... You understood wrong then. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote Well that just cain't be .....every good rePUBIClown KNOWS that only THOSE people in urban people iz on that welfare thang since all them rural rePUBIClowns have pulled they selves up by they boot straps.. Yay! More useful middleschool commentary! Here... pull my finger! Truth does seem to twist yalls panties up real fast like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #48 August 3, 2011 My Dear, there are no truths here. Just a bunch of opinions and conversations. It just seems that some of us can handle that in a more adult manner than others."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #49 August 3, 2011 QuoteMy Dear, there are no truths here. Just a bunch of opinions and conversations. It just seems that some of us can handle that in a more adult manner than others. Thats funni raht thar.. I dont care who ya ar!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #50 August 3, 2011 QuoteMy Dear, there are no truths here. Just a bunch of opinions and conversations. It just seems that some of us can handle that in a more adult manner than others. You must be getting tired. I keep waiting for you to get exhausted and walk away like most reasonable people have."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
