shah269 0 #1 August 2, 2011 Without much screaming as possible. Why will the Republican party bend over backwards to protect the top 5% of income earners? And without getting into the argument of if the top 5% actually create jobs or not, what gives? Also, to be balanced. What is up with Obama. That guy has no vision what so ever! He's a big old pile of mush!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #2 August 2, 2011 Because congressmen are mostly rich?"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #3 August 2, 2011 QuoteWithout much screaming as possible. Why will the Republican party bend over backwards to protect the top 5% of income earners? 1. To protect jobs. The top earning decile account for nearly 50% of consumer spending. 2. For fairness. America already has the most progressive income tax system out of the OECD 24 (with the top earning decile having both the highest tax share and ratio of tax to income shares (Bush 43's tax cuts moved us forward from second place here)). That's ahead of Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, The Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, The Slovak Republic, Sweden, Switzerland, and The United Kingdom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lost_n_confuzd 0 #4 August 2, 2011 Why does the Democratic party want to take money from me, that I earned, and pay other people's medical expeneses and retirement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 August 2, 2011 QuoteBecause congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #6 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteWithout much screaming as possible. Why will the Republican party bend over backwards to protect the top 5% of income earners? Top 5%? more like the top 2% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #7 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteBecause congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. Because 90% of them are just plain GOAT FUCK STUPID... and really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. Because that is what they have been taught to believe by people like the KOCH Brothers. They are also hopeful they will get their TRICKLE before the RAPTURE occurs but if not.. GOD will take care of everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #8 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. Because 90% of them are just plain GOAT FUCK STUPID... and really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. Because that is what they have been taught to believe by people like the KOCH Brothers. They are also hopeful they will get their TRICKLE before the RAPTURE occurs but if not.. GOD will take care of everything. I have noticed some of the not so rich Republicans believe in the old "The tea party says 'm not going to be goat fuck stupid forever, someday, I will make a million dollars and i'll be God dammed if i'm gonna let those liberal sons a bitches take it from me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeFallFiend 0 #9 August 2, 2011 Wow, this thread got six relevant and intelligible posts before it was derailed. I think that's a record in the SC as of late. It was good while it lasted. It was a very bipartisan question, with good motive for reasonable debate behind it, maybe it can get back on track...Fiend I am about to take my last voyage, a great leap in the dark. - Thomas Hobbes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #10 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteBecause congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. What difference does it make Quade? The republicans if left unchecked would cut taxes and lead us down the path of ruin. The democrats would spend their asses off, redistribute wealth from the rich and middle class to federal payrolls and welfare programs, and lead us down the path of ruin. Noticing a trend here? They are both a big shit sandwitch. At least one of them leaves me some more spending money before they stick me with high as hell future taxes to pay the bill."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymiles 3 #11 August 2, 2011 QuoteWhy does the Democratic party want to take money from me, that I earned, and pay other people's medical expeneses and retirement? Don’t make it sound like you provide free healthcare coverage. Money for salaries and healthcare comes out of the same pool of money. You pay your employees less to make up the difference just like every other company. I’m not faulting you. The system is the problem which among other things makes your company less globally competitive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #12 August 2, 2011 QuoteThey are both a big shit sandwitch Only if you consider the extremist points of view. QuoteAt least one of them leaves me some more spending money before they stick me with high as hell future taxes to pay the bill. Above a certain level of compensation that begins to sound like a good idea as long as you can live on your own private island community. If you're like the rest of us, then you NEED to pay taxes to pay for things most people in modern society consider to be worthwhile. Things like; schools, roads, bridges, the FAA, the military. It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs and also have no taxes. It is also mathematically impossible to have the lowest strata of wage earners pay enough into the tax system in order to pay for them as well. They simply do not have the money to begin with. It is mathematically impossible to continuously give tax breaks to the rich and expect the country to continue to provide even basic services yet this is what the Republican Party continues to harp on. It simply does not make any sense whatsoever. The loose change you may end up with as a result is simply that; loose pocket change. Meanwhile the deficits continue to increase, ruining the vast majority of people's traditional way of life, while the richest 1% bitch and moan about having to -maybe- kick in a little bit more. It simply makes no sense.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #13 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteThey are both a big shit sandwitch Only if you consider the extremist points of view. QuoteAt least one of them leaves me some more spending money before they stick me with high as hell future taxes to pay the bill. Above a certain level of compensation that begins to sound like a good idea as long as you can live on your own private island community. If you're like the rest of us, then you NEED to pay taxes to pay for things most people in modern society consider to be worthwhile. Things like; schools, roads, bridges, the FAA, the military. It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs and also have no taxes. It is also mathematically impossible to have the lowest strata of wage earners pay enough into the tax system in order to pay for them as well. They simply do not have the money to begin with. It is mathematically impossible to continuously give tax breaks to the rich and expect the country to continue to provide even basic services yet this is what the Republican Party continues to harp on. It simply does not make any sense whatsoever. The loose change you may end up with as a result is simply that; loose pocket change. Meanwhile the deficits continue to increase, ruining the vast majority of people's traditional way of life, while the richest 1% bitch and moan about having to -maybe- kick in a little bit more. It simply makes no sense. Nice spin.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #14 August 2, 2011 Ok here is my thinking. Social Security, if left untouched and unraided, would be doing ok right now. And for those who just couldn’t get ahead due to injury, bad luck or other it at least provides them with a finite sum of money to feed themselves and not beg on the street. After all would you want to see your grandmother on the street begging for cash or eating cat food? Medicair Medicaid and other basic health care related expenses ensure that we are at least healthy in our later years and try and protect us from the ever escalating cost of health care at a time when our finances may not be able to keep up. Education and other welfare programs the same. They all work for the greater good of the nation. And by greater good not only do I mean a large part of the population but also let's be honest a healthy nation will mean a healthy middle class and as such a stable country. And I'm sure we can all agree that at some point in time well over 51% of our population will in one way or another utilize the social services provided by the federal and state governments. What I can't understand is why the Republicans are throwing down everything and the kitchen sink to protect 5% of the population at the expense of 51% of the population? I'm sure given the choice between extending tax cuts for the top 5% or cutting medical assistance to veterans I sadly have a feeling that the Republicans would rather help out the top 5%. Now I don't understand this. I view society and economy as a holistic system whereby the entire system must be taken care of not just one group or another. So please using basic well understood economic theories and practices why do the Republicans bend over backwards to protect those who make well over $200k a year when the average income is only $45k a year?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #15 August 2, 2011 QuoteSo please using basic well understood economic theories and practices why do the Republicans bend over backwards to protect those who make well over $200k a year when the average income is only $45k a year? How many jobs have you gotten from someone making 45k a year? Do you think your company will be hiring more engineers when their cost of doing business goes up 20% (hypothetical number), or laying off? Just as an FYI, that 45k person saw a 18.5% reduction in income taxes paid as a percentage of income. The 5% person (above 150k) saw a reduction of 15.3%. Time to lay that old saw to rest.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeFallFiend 0 #16 August 2, 2011 I am got coming down on anyone, but something to ponder simply from an economic point of view, do people making $45k a year really add to the governments coffers? Single people making $45k, sure, but not the ones with families. They are actually a net loss when it comes to contributing taxes. So, if collected taxes pay for all the services previously mentioned in the posts above, but the avg person isnt paying for those services once you look at the net instead of the gross, who does that leave to pay for it all?Fiend I am about to take my last voyage, a great leap in the dark. - Thomas Hobbes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites captain_stan 0 #17 August 2, 2011 QuoteWhy will the Republican party bend over backwards to protect the top 5% of income earners? Because they are American citizens and deserve protection just like the rest of us? Because they already pay way, way more tax than the rest of us? Because our ability to outvote them isn't a good enough reason to screw them even worse? Because a policy that punishes successful people is unAmerican? Because the 50% of households that pay no federal income tax might be a better source of revenue? I dunno--you tell me (I'm sure somebody will). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #18 August 2, 2011 QuoteOnly if you consider the extremist points of view.Quote that's funny, because it is then followed by a stock implied extremist point of view concerning the party you're biased against ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites captain_stan 0 #19 August 2, 2011 Quote really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. I'm still waiting to get my trickle from the stimulus package. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #20 August 2, 2011 [QUOTE] What I can't understand is why the Republicans are throwing down everything and the kitchen sink to protect 5% of the population at the expense of 51% of the population? [/QUOTE] Republicans do a lot for the little people, like Medicare Part D, moving people out of the 15% bracket into the 10% bracket, and doubling the single person's standard deduction for a married couple. Medicare Part D is a trillion dollar program over 10 years just like Obamacare. Those tax reforms led to America having the most progressive income tax system out of the OECD 24. Democrats do a lot for corporate interests. Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall provisions separating commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies leading directly to the 2007 financial crisis. Obama's fed is keeping banks solvent with negative real interest rates at the expense of old retired people living off CD interest. Obama's health care "reform" is a big benefit to the insurance industry from which citizens will be required to buy insurance, with young healthy people paying at least 1/3 of what is charged to older sick ones and the least profitable citizens continuing to get their insurance from the government. A cynical person would note that both Democrats and Republicans (Medicare Part D is a big win for drug companies) are increasing the transfer of federal dollars to corporate interests. The people receiving benefit from the resulting programs helps sell them but seems to be a secondary effect. Cuts to things like veterans' medical care (with spending on government owned facilities and government employed doctors/nurses/administrators) at the same time as an overall increase in federal spending on health care (to private insurance companies, drug companies, etc.) make a lot more sense once you realize this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #21 August 2, 2011 Thank you for that post. Maybe I've fallen for the 24/7 news networks line of crap.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #22 August 2, 2011 QuoteWithout much screaming as possible. What does that sentence mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Heatmiser 0 #23 August 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Because congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. Because 90% of them are just plain GOAT FUCK STUPID... and really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. Because that is what they have been taught to believe by people like the KOCH Brothers. They are also hopeful they will get their TRICKLE before the RAPTURE occurs but if not.. GOD will take care of everything. Really?!? If that is you refraining from screaming, I'd hate to see you let loose!What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #24 August 2, 2011 Quote It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs... I'm taking liberties here in truncating your statement, but it's one that's true none the less. Society needs to take care of their own needs. Get a job, pay your bills, live within your means. Our government must expect personal responsibility, and responsibility to one's family. They don't. Instead, they foster dependence. It's a cycle that will only end in tears for everyone. I'm not sure where the correct balance is, but the pendulum needs to swing the other way right now, and by alot.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #25 August 2, 2011 Quote Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall provisions separating commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies leading directly to the 2007 financial crisis. That was a HUGE mistake. I know the banks were saying they couldn't compete with the Europeans because of Glass Steagall, but that framework worked really well for 50+ years. There was no reason to repeal it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Amazon 7 #7 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteBecause congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. Because 90% of them are just plain GOAT FUCK STUPID... and really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. Because that is what they have been taught to believe by people like the KOCH Brothers. They are also hopeful they will get their TRICKLE before the RAPTURE occurs but if not.. GOD will take care of everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #8 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. Because 90% of them are just plain GOAT FUCK STUPID... and really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. Because that is what they have been taught to believe by people like the KOCH Brothers. They are also hopeful they will get their TRICKLE before the RAPTURE occurs but if not.. GOD will take care of everything. I have noticed some of the not so rich Republicans believe in the old "The tea party says 'm not going to be goat fuck stupid forever, someday, I will make a million dollars and i'll be God dammed if i'm gonna let those liberal sons a bitches take it from me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeFallFiend 0 #9 August 2, 2011 Wow, this thread got six relevant and intelligible posts before it was derailed. I think that's a record in the SC as of late. It was good while it lasted. It was a very bipartisan question, with good motive for reasonable debate behind it, maybe it can get back on track...Fiend I am about to take my last voyage, a great leap in the dark. - Thomas Hobbes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #10 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteBecause congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. What difference does it make Quade? The republicans if left unchecked would cut taxes and lead us down the path of ruin. The democrats would spend their asses off, redistribute wealth from the rich and middle class to federal payrolls and welfare programs, and lead us down the path of ruin. Noticing a trend here? They are both a big shit sandwitch. At least one of them leaves me some more spending money before they stick me with high as hell future taxes to pay the bill."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymiles 3 #11 August 2, 2011 QuoteWhy does the Democratic party want to take money from me, that I earned, and pay other people's medical expeneses and retirement? Don’t make it sound like you provide free healthcare coverage. Money for salaries and healthcare comes out of the same pool of money. You pay your employees less to make up the difference just like every other company. I’m not faulting you. The system is the problem which among other things makes your company less globally competitive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 August 2, 2011 QuoteThey are both a big shit sandwitch Only if you consider the extremist points of view. QuoteAt least one of them leaves me some more spending money before they stick me with high as hell future taxes to pay the bill. Above a certain level of compensation that begins to sound like a good idea as long as you can live on your own private island community. If you're like the rest of us, then you NEED to pay taxes to pay for things most people in modern society consider to be worthwhile. Things like; schools, roads, bridges, the FAA, the military. It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs and also have no taxes. It is also mathematically impossible to have the lowest strata of wage earners pay enough into the tax system in order to pay for them as well. They simply do not have the money to begin with. It is mathematically impossible to continuously give tax breaks to the rich and expect the country to continue to provide even basic services yet this is what the Republican Party continues to harp on. It simply does not make any sense whatsoever. The loose change you may end up with as a result is simply that; loose pocket change. Meanwhile the deficits continue to increase, ruining the vast majority of people's traditional way of life, while the richest 1% bitch and moan about having to -maybe- kick in a little bit more. It simply makes no sense.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteThey are both a big shit sandwitch Only if you consider the extremist points of view. QuoteAt least one of them leaves me some more spending money before they stick me with high as hell future taxes to pay the bill. Above a certain level of compensation that begins to sound like a good idea as long as you can live on your own private island community. If you're like the rest of us, then you NEED to pay taxes to pay for things most people in modern society consider to be worthwhile. Things like; schools, roads, bridges, the FAA, the military. It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs and also have no taxes. It is also mathematically impossible to have the lowest strata of wage earners pay enough into the tax system in order to pay for them as well. They simply do not have the money to begin with. It is mathematically impossible to continuously give tax breaks to the rich and expect the country to continue to provide even basic services yet this is what the Republican Party continues to harp on. It simply does not make any sense whatsoever. The loose change you may end up with as a result is simply that; loose pocket change. Meanwhile the deficits continue to increase, ruining the vast majority of people's traditional way of life, while the richest 1% bitch and moan about having to -maybe- kick in a little bit more. It simply makes no sense. Nice spin.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #14 August 2, 2011 Ok here is my thinking. Social Security, if left untouched and unraided, would be doing ok right now. And for those who just couldn’t get ahead due to injury, bad luck or other it at least provides them with a finite sum of money to feed themselves and not beg on the street. After all would you want to see your grandmother on the street begging for cash or eating cat food? Medicair Medicaid and other basic health care related expenses ensure that we are at least healthy in our later years and try and protect us from the ever escalating cost of health care at a time when our finances may not be able to keep up. Education and other welfare programs the same. They all work for the greater good of the nation. And by greater good not only do I mean a large part of the population but also let's be honest a healthy nation will mean a healthy middle class and as such a stable country. And I'm sure we can all agree that at some point in time well over 51% of our population will in one way or another utilize the social services provided by the federal and state governments. What I can't understand is why the Republicans are throwing down everything and the kitchen sink to protect 5% of the population at the expense of 51% of the population? I'm sure given the choice between extending tax cuts for the top 5% or cutting medical assistance to veterans I sadly have a feeling that the Republicans would rather help out the top 5%. Now I don't understand this. I view society and economy as a holistic system whereby the entire system must be taken care of not just one group or another. So please using basic well understood economic theories and practices why do the Republicans bend over backwards to protect those who make well over $200k a year when the average income is only $45k a year?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 August 2, 2011 QuoteSo please using basic well understood economic theories and practices why do the Republicans bend over backwards to protect those who make well over $200k a year when the average income is only $45k a year? How many jobs have you gotten from someone making 45k a year? Do you think your company will be hiring more engineers when their cost of doing business goes up 20% (hypothetical number), or laying off? Just as an FYI, that 45k person saw a 18.5% reduction in income taxes paid as a percentage of income. The 5% person (above 150k) saw a reduction of 15.3%. Time to lay that old saw to rest.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeFallFiend 0 #16 August 2, 2011 I am got coming down on anyone, but something to ponder simply from an economic point of view, do people making $45k a year really add to the governments coffers? Single people making $45k, sure, but not the ones with families. They are actually a net loss when it comes to contributing taxes. So, if collected taxes pay for all the services previously mentioned in the posts above, but the avg person isnt paying for those services once you look at the net instead of the gross, who does that leave to pay for it all?Fiend I am about to take my last voyage, a great leap in the dark. - Thomas Hobbes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #17 August 2, 2011 QuoteWhy will the Republican party bend over backwards to protect the top 5% of income earners? Because they are American citizens and deserve protection just like the rest of us? Because they already pay way, way more tax than the rest of us? Because our ability to outvote them isn't a good enough reason to screw them even worse? Because a policy that punishes successful people is unAmerican? Because the 50% of households that pay no federal income tax might be a better source of revenue? I dunno--you tell me (I'm sure somebody will). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 August 2, 2011 QuoteOnly if you consider the extremist points of view.Quote that's funny, because it is then followed by a stock implied extremist point of view concerning the party you're biased against ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites captain_stan 0 #19 August 2, 2011 Quote really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. I'm still waiting to get my trickle from the stimulus package. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #20 August 2, 2011 [QUOTE] What I can't understand is why the Republicans are throwing down everything and the kitchen sink to protect 5% of the population at the expense of 51% of the population? [/QUOTE] Republicans do a lot for the little people, like Medicare Part D, moving people out of the 15% bracket into the 10% bracket, and doubling the single person's standard deduction for a married couple. Medicare Part D is a trillion dollar program over 10 years just like Obamacare. Those tax reforms led to America having the most progressive income tax system out of the OECD 24. Democrats do a lot for corporate interests. Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall provisions separating commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies leading directly to the 2007 financial crisis. Obama's fed is keeping banks solvent with negative real interest rates at the expense of old retired people living off CD interest. Obama's health care "reform" is a big benefit to the insurance industry from which citizens will be required to buy insurance, with young healthy people paying at least 1/3 of what is charged to older sick ones and the least profitable citizens continuing to get their insurance from the government. A cynical person would note that both Democrats and Republicans (Medicare Part D is a big win for drug companies) are increasing the transfer of federal dollars to corporate interests. The people receiving benefit from the resulting programs helps sell them but seems to be a secondary effect. Cuts to things like veterans' medical care (with spending on government owned facilities and government employed doctors/nurses/administrators) at the same time as an overall increase in federal spending on health care (to private insurance companies, drug companies, etc.) make a lot more sense once you realize this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #21 August 2, 2011 Thank you for that post. Maybe I've fallen for the 24/7 news networks line of crap.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #22 August 2, 2011 QuoteWithout much screaming as possible. What does that sentence mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Heatmiser 0 #23 August 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Because congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. Because 90% of them are just plain GOAT FUCK STUPID... and really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. Because that is what they have been taught to believe by people like the KOCH Brothers. They are also hopeful they will get their TRICKLE before the RAPTURE occurs but if not.. GOD will take care of everything. Really?!? If that is you refraining from screaming, I'd hate to see you let loose!What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #24 August 2, 2011 Quote It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs... I'm taking liberties here in truncating your statement, but it's one that's true none the less. Society needs to take care of their own needs. Get a job, pay your bills, live within your means. Our government must expect personal responsibility, and responsibility to one's family. They don't. Instead, they foster dependence. It's a cycle that will only end in tears for everyone. I'm not sure where the correct balance is, but the pendulum needs to swing the other way right now, and by alot.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #25 August 2, 2011 Quote Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall provisions separating commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies leading directly to the 2007 financial crisis. That was a HUGE mistake. I know the banks were saying they couldn't compete with the Europeans because of Glass Steagall, but that framework worked really well for 50+ years. There was no reason to repeal it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
captain_stan 0 #19 August 2, 2011 Quote really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. I'm still waiting to get my trickle from the stimulus package. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #20 August 2, 2011 [QUOTE] What I can't understand is why the Republicans are throwing down everything and the kitchen sink to protect 5% of the population at the expense of 51% of the population? [/QUOTE] Republicans do a lot for the little people, like Medicare Part D, moving people out of the 15% bracket into the 10% bracket, and doubling the single person's standard deduction for a married couple. Medicare Part D is a trillion dollar program over 10 years just like Obamacare. Those tax reforms led to America having the most progressive income tax system out of the OECD 24. Democrats do a lot for corporate interests. Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall provisions separating commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies leading directly to the 2007 financial crisis. Obama's fed is keeping banks solvent with negative real interest rates at the expense of old retired people living off CD interest. Obama's health care "reform" is a big benefit to the insurance industry from which citizens will be required to buy insurance, with young healthy people paying at least 1/3 of what is charged to older sick ones and the least profitable citizens continuing to get their insurance from the government. A cynical person would note that both Democrats and Republicans (Medicare Part D is a big win for drug companies) are increasing the transfer of federal dollars to corporate interests. The people receiving benefit from the resulting programs helps sell them but seems to be a secondary effect. Cuts to things like veterans' medical care (with spending on government owned facilities and government employed doctors/nurses/administrators) at the same time as an overall increase in federal spending on health care (to private insurance companies, drug companies, etc.) make a lot more sense once you realize this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #21 August 2, 2011 Thank you for that post. Maybe I've fallen for the 24/7 news networks line of crap.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 August 2, 2011 QuoteWithout much screaming as possible. What does that sentence mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #23 August 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Because congressmen are mostly rich? This explains the Congressmen and their wealthy backers. What it does not explain and what I've never understood are those people that make less than $100,000 per year that support them. Those people. to me, make absolutely no sense whatsoever since very, very little, if anything, the Republican Party currently does has any benefit to them. Because 90% of them are just plain GOAT FUCK STUPID... and really believe they will eventually get their TRICKLE.. Because that is what they have been taught to believe by people like the KOCH Brothers. They are also hopeful they will get their TRICKLE before the RAPTURE occurs but if not.. GOD will take care of everything. Really?!? If that is you refraining from screaming, I'd hate to see you let loose!What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #24 August 2, 2011 Quote It is mathematically impossible to pay for all of the societal needs... I'm taking liberties here in truncating your statement, but it's one that's true none the less. Society needs to take care of their own needs. Get a job, pay your bills, live within your means. Our government must expect personal responsibility, and responsibility to one's family. They don't. Instead, they foster dependence. It's a cycle that will only end in tears for everyone. I'm not sure where the correct balance is, but the pendulum needs to swing the other way right now, and by alot.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #25 August 2, 2011 Quote Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall provisions separating commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies leading directly to the 2007 financial crisis. That was a HUGE mistake. I know the banks were saying they couldn't compete with the Europeans because of Glass Steagall, but that framework worked really well for 50+ years. There was no reason to repeal it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
