christelsabine 1 #26 July 29, 2011 Quote Thats an ironic statement, considering your nations less than stellar track record with leaders. Egging for the camera was the perfect thing to do, instead of acting like he didn't want to be filmed. It turned the tables of the candid camera douche. What do you mean: Steller or stellar? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #27 July 29, 2011 Which ever way is spelled correctly given the context of the rest of my sentance. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #28 July 29, 2011 QuoteWhy don't you go home and fight your personal battles in PMs? What a laughing stock. You're part of the problem too, sweetie. Your insults, like the one above, are routinely ignored by the liberal moderators, who need to clean up their own acts, as well as those of people like yourself. The entire forum is becoming a laughingstock, because of uneven moderation like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #29 July 29, 2011 Quote Quote Why don't you go home and fight your personal battles in PMs? What a laughing stock. You're part of the problem too, sweetie. Your insults, like the one above, are routinely ignored by the liberal moderators, who need to clean up their own acts, as well as those of people like yourself. The entire forum is becoming a laughingstock, because of uneven moderation like this. I'm not part of your problem you have with the mods, old fat red man. Clean out your backyard by yourself. Again: Go home and settle your problems via PMs. Not everyone's a Texan. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 July 29, 2011 QuoteI'm not part of your problem you have with the mods, old fat red man. Now, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 July 29, 2011 QuoteNow, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we? That didn't hurt so bad, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #32 July 29, 2011 Quote Quote I'm not part of your problem you have with the mods, old fat red man. Now, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we? My apologies. I do not know when he was born. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 July 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteNow, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we? That didn't hurt so bad, eh? JR, I realize you don't want to acknowledge it and that's fine by me, but when somebody calls you an "old fat red man" or anything equally egregious, I actually do do my best to deal with it fairly. The issue is, and I know this goes past a lot of people, none of the moderators are actually on-line 24/7 and sometimes folks have feuds that go on for hours before any of us even have a chance to see them. It may look like we're not personally addressing your issue, but the fact is, it may be that nobody is actually watching at the moment or the topic the feud is in just isn't all that interesting to us and we don't read every single message in it looking for every minor thing that may offend every single person. Take a step back from the screen every once in awhile and gain some perspective. Not everybody that doesn't share your point of view is out to get you.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 July 29, 2011 QuoteThat guy is a moron. It may be his right to open carry, but he is open carrying a unloaded handgun which serves no purpose for self defense, and he is obviously trolling for trouble. Personally I am not a big fan of open carry. I don't draw attention when I am carrying my handgun. I don't scare little old ladies, and I have the element of suprise if I even needed it. I also have way less risk of some one grabbing my gun. open carry in California is a protest act, with the intent of getting viable CCW permit access. As it stands, the local county Sheriff must approve any requests and for most counties, that means no permits unless you're politically connected. San Francisco has roughly 10 such permits. Is it an effective protest? Probably not, but as others suggest, that's the typical reaction when people try to assert rights that others don't approve of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 July 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote I'm not part of your problem you have with the mods, old fat red man. Now, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we? My apologies. I do not know when he was born. I see that "warning" went in one ear, and out the other. Stay classy, now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #36 July 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm not part of your problem you have with the mods, old fat red man. Now, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we? My apologies. I do not know when he was born. I see that "warning" went in one ear, and out the other. Stay classy, now. What? Kelp, I received (very) few warnings in my DZ. life, no need to give me any advice, dear.. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 July 29, 2011 QuoteQuote I see that "warning" went in one ear, and out the other. Stay classy, now. What? Kelp, I received (very) few warnings in my DZ. life, no need to give me any advice, dear.. That was John's point. You called him an old fat red man, get about the softest of warnings possible, and respond - sorry, maybe he's not old, just fat and red. Billvon would have put you on vacation for that talkback. (I know from experience) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #38 July 29, 2011 Nice work by the cop. I'm guessing that their department is aware of all the negative publicity from the (multiple) incidents involving citizens videoing cops. And have probably developed a policy about it. That cop was calm, cool and in control. Very professional. Far, far different from the one in Ohio. And the guy with the gun was obviously trolling for an confrontation like that. With the camera and no ID on him, he was pushing buttons. Legally and within his rights, but clearly pushing. I'll give him credit. Risking the possible consequences in order to exercise his rights. Just like the civil rights protestors in the 60s. Last thing - although he was not violating any laws videoing the incident, recording audio of it is a different matter. California is a "Two Party Consent" state. Both parties in the conversation have to consent (or at least be made aware) to the recording. The cop could have politely pointed that out to the dude. Something along the lines of "I'm not going to cite you for it, but you might want to check Califronia's laws on audio recording. While the video camera is legal, recording the audio without my consent isn't.""There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #39 July 29, 2011 They are in public, that has to have different legal implications than secretly recording a phonecall."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #40 July 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of your problem you have with the mods, old fat red man. Now, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we? My apologies. I do not know when he was born. Quote from christelsabine, response to quade. This is a direct challenge to your authority as a moderator, quade. She made a personal insult, violating the forum rules. You warned her, personally. Then she did it again, in direct response to your warning. She's thumbing her nose at you and your rules, because she doesn't think they mean anything. She's gotten away with so many insults in the past, that she thinks those rules don't apply to her. And thus, the forum is dragged down into the abyss of insults rather than civil debate. If the rules are going to mean anything here, you need to take action on this one. I'll give you some time, and sit back and wait to see what you do. If you do nothing, it will just prove my point correct: that insults by liberals against conservatives are frequently overlooked by certain moderators. And I know you would hate for your inaction to prove me correct on that. So you're boxed in here, quade - what are you going to do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #41 July 29, 2011 QuoteThey are in public, that has to have different legal implications than secretly recording a phonecall. Not really. They were having what could be classed as a "private conversation" even though it was out on the street. It has the same protections as a phone conversation. The link below talks about the "reasonable expectation of privacy" even if it's out on a public street. There was a motorcyclist who got arrested for this for recording the cop with his helmet-mounted camera (GoPro?) under the same sort of law. The charges were later dropped IIRC, not sure under what circumstances, but the law is still there. http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #42 July 29, 2011 Quote Ever hear the expression, "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke"? Well, you sir don't appear to be able to take a joke. Let me refer you to the Obama = Cancer thread. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #43 July 29, 2011 Quote No, he's trolling to have the law accepted as normal, instead of having it seen as a sign of troublemakers. And by carrying an empty gun, he proves to the cops that challenge him that he's not a troublemaker. And even open carry of an unloaded handgun is very likely to make robbers and muggers go somewhere else to find a suitable victim. One day on a PGR mission, I discussed the open carry proposal for FL with a deputy sheriff. He was not in favor of open carry. He considered it advertising. He stated that in our area if the gang bangers know you have a gun they will take it away from you. He emphasized that with, "Don't think for a minute they won't." If you are going to carry, have a CCP and keep your weapon hidden, until needed. BTW, the open carry law did not pass in FL.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #44 July 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of your problem you have with the mods, old fat red man. Now, now, that IS starting to get personal. Let's have no more of that, shall we? My apologies. I do not know when he was born. Quote from christelsabine, response to quade. This is a direct challenge to your authority as a moderator, quade. She made a personal insult, violating the forum rules. You warned her, personally. Then she did it again, in direct response to your warning. She's thumbing her nose at you and your rules, because she doesn't think they mean anything. She's gotten away with so many insults in the past, that she thinks those rules don't apply to her. And thus, the forum is dragged down into the abyss of insults rather than civil debate. If the rules are going to mean anything here, you need to take action on this one. I'll give you some time, and sit back and wait to see what you do. If you do nothing, it will just prove my point correct: that insults by liberals against conservatives are frequently overlooked by certain moderators. And I know you would hate for your inaction to prove me correct on that. So you're boxed in here, quade - what are you going to do? I'm going to say she apologized. QuoteMy apologies. Then I'm going to say she gave a reason where none was required. QuoteI do not know when he was born. Then I'm going to say if no explanation was required at all and she gave a partial one, then you should leave it at that and not look a gift horse in the mouth. However, you've instead decided to take umbrage at her giving you an apology and assume the worst. I'm sorry to see that. She may have meant it as an insult, she may have not. It's subtextual, so we can, in fact, only guess. If YOU choose to see the worst in everything, then indeed everyone and everything does, I suppose, seem to be against you. On the other hand, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I gotta be honest, I have NO idea what she meant by "old fat red man." I think maybe we can both agree that "man" isn't exactly an insult. "Old" she explained, which only leaves the "fat" and "red" adjectives. I have no idea what your weight is, but let's assume that's a relative issue and still almost certainly an insult. Ok, maybe she needs to explain that one too. "Red"? I can't even fathom what the insult is there. Seriously. Is there something I don't know about you? Are you a native American? If so, yes, that is an egregious insult and I absolutely will deal with it according to the forum rules. But seriously, are you? I don't recall the topic ever having come up before. On the other hand, if you're NOT a native American, I can't for the life of me figure out why you'd be insulted by that.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #45 July 30, 2011 You're a fucking coward and a hypocrite. I apologize. I don't really know if you fuck or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 July 30, 2011 Quote You're a fucking coward and a hypocrite. I apologize. I don't really know if you fuck or not. JR... DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE Its the internets....Breathe........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #47 July 30, 2011 QuoteYou're a fucking coward and a hypocrite. I apologize. I don't really know if you fuck or not. Congratulations JR. You've just proved how much I must be against you. Enjoy your . . . . Wait a minute . . . you didn't actually think I was going to ban you over that little childish outburst of yours, did you? I recognize it for what it is. Meh.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
