Worried about the debt ceilng?

[DanJohnson 0]

Relax !
Go get a drink of water.

So what are you worried about?
That China won't get theirs?
That we won't pay the banksters who rigged the system from the get go?

No really , sit down. Get another drink of water.

China and all other foreign creditors are gonna' get their interest.
The banksters are gonna get their cash to.

The only ones who will get hosed are those expecting a certain level of Social Security payments.
You paid in and you are presently one of the biggest deficits on the gov't accounting sheet.
You are fucked!!
Your promised payout is about to go toward the deficit.

Sorry.
I didn't do it.
Have a drink of water. Relax

[popsjumper 2]

Don't worry! Be Happy!

Foreign countries will get theirs! All those countries getting financial support from the USA will still get theirs! Fuck the American citizens! Let's make sure every foreign country gets theirs and everybody will be happy!

WoooooHooooo!
Big business will still get theirs! All those businesses supported by goobermint legislation will get theirs! Fuck the American citizens! Let's make sure big business gets theirs and everybody will be happy!

The military will still get theirs! All those military branches supported by goobermint legislation will get theirs! Fuck the American citizens! Let's make sure the military gets theirs and everybody will be happy!

Don't worry! Be Happy!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[rushmc 23]

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Relax !
Go get a drink of water.

So what are you worried about?
That China won't get theirs?
That we won't pay the banksters who rigged the system from the get go?

No really , sit down. Get another drink of water.

China and all other foreign creditors are gonna' get their interest.
The banksters are gonna get their cash to.

The only ones who will get hosed are those expecting a certain level of Social Security payments.
You paid in and you are presently one of the biggest deficits on the gov't accounting sheet.
You are fucked!!
Your promised payout is about to go toward the deficit.

Sorry.
I didn't do it.
Have a drink of water. Relax

So you are buying into the social security lie?

If so, you really need another news source

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wayneflorida 0]

No.
The media is playing this like Y2K or Scary Movie 5.

[shropshire 0]

Only if it's Artex'd

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[billvon 3,120]

>So you are buying into the social security lie?

And what "lie" would that be?

[DougH 270]

Heard something on NPR today but I wasn't paying full attention.

They either said that for each .1% or 1% increase in the interest rate on our debt we would end up with another trillion dollars tacked on to the deficit.

Doesn't matter any way. Even if we get things done in the lick of time we are likely to see a downgrade.

The disfunctional show in Washington, and the fact that any debt ceiling increase is going to fall far far short of the actual deficit cutting that we need has all but sealed our fate.

Any yes interest will get paid first. Interest goes before everything else, because everything else gets exponentially more expensive if you stop paying the interest and default.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[rushmc 23]

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>So you are buying into the social security lie?

And what "lie" would that be?

That those checks might not go out

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>They either said that for each .1% or 1% increase in the interest rate
>on our debt we would end up with another trillion dollars tacked on to the
>deficit.

Yep. Which is why statements like this should worry people:

Question on ask.com - "Why can't we just default on our national debt? This is a serious question. As I understand it, there's a great deal of concern with the federal deficit, which may grow larger and larger unless we raise taxes. But why can't we wipe out the debt? We don't even have to default on all the debt. My understanding is that we owe a lot of the money to the Chinese. Can we just default on the Chinese money?"

Jim DeMint: "We know the president wants to play the blame game. He’s manufactured this crisis."

Ron Paul: “If the government defaults on its debt now, the consequences undoubtedly will be painful in the short term. The loss of its AAA rating will raise the cost of issuing new debt, but this is not altogether a bad thing."

>The disfunctional show in Washington, and the fact that any debt ceiling
>increase is going to fall far far short of the actual deficit cutting that we
>need has all but sealed our fate.

Agreed.

[billvon 3,120]

>That those checks might not go out

Those checks might not go out. That is 100% true. The treasury will decide WHICH of those checks will no longer go out.

[wayneflorida 0]

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>So you are buying into the social security lie?

And what "lie" would that be?

Not what lie but which lie.

If a lock box really existed it would contain all the paid in social security money and thus checks could go out.

So President/Congress/media must be lying about the lock box, if now they are saying there will be no money for Social Security checks.

I'm so confused.

[billvon 3,120]

>If a lock box really existed it would contain all the paid in social security
>money and thus checks could go out.

Agreed. Gore proposed the SS lockbox back during the 2000 presidential campaign. It was never implemented.

[DougH 270]

It should have been implemented when social security was first introduced. We have been screwing this up for decades!

If social security checks stop then seniors can look long and hard in the mirror.

It was their generations of elected officials that raped the system.

Now I am paying for their level of benefits, because they already blew through their own money, and I won't see shit for benefits when it is my time.

I wouldn't mind if social security was done away with all together. You reap what you sow. I don't recall raiding the social security piggy back only a short period of time ago before I was of voting age.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[rushmc 23]

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>That those checks might not go out

Those checks might not go out. That is 100% true. The treasury will decide WHICH of those checks will no longer go out.

So you have either acepted the lie, or you want to keep it going for the end game (much like the AGW hoax)

Consider the following

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Under the present crisis, there is enough money coming into the Treasury that there should be no question about paying the interest on the loans we have taken over the years; the Social Security and Medicaid amounts and the military requirements. After that, the government is in jeopardy. All the rhetoric recently that the Social Security and Medicare checks would not go out is false. Unless, there is no one working at the Treasury to write the checks the funds are available. If the interest is paid on the obligations, the country will not default on our obligations. It’s like paying your mortgage. If you just pay the interest, the loan holder will not foreclose. All of the other invoices and vendors and employees, including Congress will just have to wait for their turn.

http://www.blufftontoday.com/bluffton-news/2011-07-29/rhetoric-surrounds-social-security-and-medicare-checks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,151]

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>That those checks might not go out

Those checks might not go out. That is 100% true. The treasury will decide WHICH of those checks will no longer go out.

So you have either acepted the lie, or you want to keep it going for the end game (much like the AGW hoax)

Consider the following

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Under the present crisis, there is enough money coming into the Treasury that there should be no question about paying the interest on the loans we have taken over the years; the Social Security and Medicaid amounts and the military requirements. After that, the government is in jeopardy. All the rhetoric recently that the Social Security and Medicare checks would not go out is false. Unless, there is no one working at the Treasury to write the checks the funds are available. If the interest is paid on the obligations, the country will not default on our obligations. It’s like paying your mortgage. If you just pay the interest, the loan holder will not foreclose. All of the other invoices and vendors and employees, including Congress will just have to wait for their turn.

http://www.blufftontoday.com/bluffton-news/2011-07-29/rhetoric-surrounds-social-security-and-medicare-checks

They should write the SS checks and not pay for jet fuel for the military

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,120]

>So you have either acepted the lie

Nope. I can just do math*. If you don't have enough money to pay all your bills, then you can't pay all your bills.

(* - this, at times, makes it difficult to communicate with Tea Partyers.)

[rushmc 23]

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>So you have either acepted the lie

Nope. I can just do math*. If you don't have enough money to pay all your bills, then you can't pay all your bills.

(* - this, at times, makes it difficult to communicate with Tea Partyers.)

So you dont care about the truth

I got it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>So you dont care about the truth

I definitely don't care about Tea Partyer "truth" - especially if it means ignoring math in favor of rhetoric.

[rushmc 23]

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>So you dont care about the truth

I definitely don't care about Tea Partyer "truth" - especially if it means ignoring math in favor of rhetoric.

You are providing the rhetoric if you support the SS checks not going out story

A little tea party would do you some good

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>A little tea party would do you some good

So the Tea Party thinks that we can run out of money and still send out all the money we used to?

No wonder we're so screwed.

[rushmc 23]

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>A little tea party would do you some good

So the Tea Party thinks that we can run out of money and still send out all the money we used to?

No wonder we're so screwed.

Nope

It would be fun to see you find a link where some tea party person or supporter said that

but leave it up to you and/or kallend to make post like yours here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>It would be fun to see you find a link where some tea party person or
>supporter said that

Right here:

"You are providing the rhetoric if you support the SS checks not going out story"

[rushmc 23]

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>It would be fun to see you find a link where some tea party person or
>supporter said that

Right here:

"You are providing the rhetoric if you support the SS checks not going out story"

And you twist it into the statement you made?

You must think people here are really really stupid if you believe this will fly

NO one had said ALL bill will be paid

I did say ALL SS checks will go out

Shame on you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>NO one had said ALL bill will be paid

NOW we're making progress! Excellent, gold star.

Now - what bills will we not pay, and why do you assume that Social Security will get priority over all our other debts?

[DougH 270]

Social security won't have priority over interest payments, but that fact alone doesn't mean the statement that social security checks might not get paid relevant.

It is going to depend on how big our shortfall is and for how long.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P