Medicare for All: Fair, Frugal, and Inclusive

[DougH 270]

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i did answer your question. it is cheaper than the current private system so money will be saved overall...

It is scary that you can't differentiate between costs, and savings.
You need revenue to pay for what something costs.
Less cost, savings, does not equal revenue.
You can not pay for something with savings.


So how are you going to pay for it. Even if you think the overall cost will be less, and I disagree considering the trillions of unrecorded liabilities that medicare is going to rack up, you still have to pay for it.

I already pay for my own health care and it works just fine. I don't need the govermnet moving costs around and placing more of other peoples costs on my shoulders.

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[DougH 270]

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Government-provided healthcare would not be all-solving. It would be basic -- if you want the higher-end stuff, then you have to pay more. Just like public schools are way better than nothing, but not as good as some private schools.

Money can just about always buy you more; that's not in question. The question is whether there is a basic amount that should be provided.

Wendy P.

After they get done juicing the middle to pay for this, the rich dodge duck and weave, and the bottom gets their free pass there won't be much left to affoard anything beyond the basic.

It is cost shifting.

You take my contribution for my health care and instead of a payroll deduction that goes to Aetna it goes to uncle sam in the form of extra withholding taxes.

Instead of having a pretty good choice of health care options I get stuck with the cookie cutter government bullshit, and higher taxes that far exceed what my health insurance contribution was each month.

No thanks.

Hell a single payor system may actually lower health care costs overall and start fixing the medical inflation problem. Guess who will get the least amount of benefit from that equation, the folks in the middle.

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[rushmc 23]

It seems this is what you want the US to move toward

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Two-thirds of health trusts in England are rationing treatments for "non-urgent" conditions as part of the drive to reduce costs in the NHS by £20bn over the next four years. One in three primary-care trusts (PCTs) has expanded the list of procedures it will restrict funding to in the past 12 months.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cataracts-hips-knees-and-tonsils-nhs-begins-rationing-operations-2327268.html

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[kallend 2,148]

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i did answer your question. it is cheaper than the current private system so money will be saved overall...

It is scary that you can't differentiate between costs, and savings.

"A penny saved is a penny earned". Ben Franklin was far wiser than you are.

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[Belgian_Draft 0]

One.more.time.
How will it be paid for? Taxes? Investments? Donations? Charity? Money doesn't just pop up out of nowhere.

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kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[dreamdancer 0]

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One.more.time.
How will it be paid for? Taxes? Investments? Donations? Charity? Money doesn't just pop up out of nowhere.

that's why your inefficient private system needs upgrading. at the moment you spend more than any other country yet get only mediocre healthcare results for the vast sums you spend...

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[DougH 270]

Who is going to pay for the upgrading.

I pay for my health care insurance every paycheck. My health care is just fine thank you very much.

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[dreamdancer 0]

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Who is going to pay for the upgrading?

the cost to the economy will be less than it is at the moment...

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[kallend 2,148]

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Who is going to pay for the upgrading.

I pay for my health care insurance every paycheck. My health care is just fine thank you very much.

So your position is f**k everyone who doesn't have a paycheck.

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[DougH 270]

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Who is going to pay for the upgrading?

the cost to the economy will be less than it is at the moment...

And you proof for that is what... the massive unfunded and unrecorded liability for medicare???

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[devildog 0]

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One.more.time.
How will it be paid for? Taxes? Investments? Donations? Charity? Money doesn't just pop up out of nowhere.

that's why your inefficient private system needs upgrading. at the moment you spend more than any other country yet get only mediocre healthcare results for the vast sums you spend...

So you would say then that people across the world flock to the US for various treatments and procedures because we have high prices and mediocre service? Really?

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[DougH 270]

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So your position is f**k everyone who doesn't have a paycheck.

It depends on how you want to solve the problem that we are facing.

Look how well single payor is working for Great Britian.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cataracts-hips-knees-and-tonsils-nhs-begins-rationing-operations-2327268.html

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[rushmc 23]

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Who is going to pay for the upgrading.

I pay for my health care insurance every paycheck. My health care is just fine thank you very much.

So your position is f**k everyone who doesn't have a paycheck.

Honesty and integrity

Yep, that is what he said his position is

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[DougH 270]

Actually given the choice of two options ONLY, status quo, or a complete house cleaning to implement a government single payor system, my position would be just that.

However unlike some of the people here I don't think everything is only black and white.

You can tackel costs in the system, cut down on waste, improve medical care for the uninsured, without sacking the entire system.

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[kallend 2,148]

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So your position is f**k everyone who doesn't have a paycheck.

It depends on how you want to solve the problem that we are facing.

Look how well single payor is working for Great Britian.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cataracts-hips-knees-and-tonsils-nhs-begins-rationing-operations-2327268.html

What makes you think there's no rationing here in the USA? It's just done differently (and less effectively and more expensively).

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[rushmc 23]

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Actually given the choice of two options ONLY, status quo, or a complete house cleaning to implement a government single payor system, my position would be just that.

However unlike some of the people here I don't think everything is only black and white.

You can tackel costs in the system, cut down on waste, improve medical care for the uninsured, without sacking the entire system.

Getting the gov out would make a big difference. State and Fed control.

Tort reform can make a big difference as well

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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Tort reform can make a big difference as well

A blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

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[rushmc 23]

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Tort reform can make a big difference as well

A blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

Seeing how I have been saying this for over a year it seems my vision is 20 20

Honest and integrity sir

Something you need to strive for

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

I'm kind of disappointed I was also hoping to get free Child Care. I mean, its difficult to keep a job when your trying to raise a family not to mention the burden of those very expensive child care payments. A little helping hand from our Government in this area would go a long ways.

I was also hoping a little assistance in obtaining a more dependable vehicle. Nothing to fancy, but dependable. After all cars are a basic right, we do need to get back and forth from those jobs not to mention picking up our children from day care. After all I'm a hard working middle class American, do my best in these troubled times.

If those Damn Republiclowns weren't bent on distroying the world...I would be so much better off.

These two small request is all I need...and assistance with my phone bill...thats it, thats all I need, and those food stamps and, and the meals on wheels that all I need...and after school care..thats it...that all I need.........

[dreamdancer 0]

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These two small request is all I need...and assistance with my phone bill...thats it, thats all I need, and those food stamps and, and the meals on wheels that all I need...and after school care..thats it...that all I need.........

i guess you think you're a banker

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[DougH 270]

Speaking of bankers I was in the bank the other day and a woman was in there cashing a check, she didn't have a bank account, but it was written on this bank so they could cash it.

She asked for some lolly pops for her grandkids etc.

She then proceeded to explain to the teller that her son has had 16 kids. Her adopted daughter had 5 kids. This other one had this many kids.

This woman was connected to litterally like a 100 different kids, and only two generations out.

We really are doing a great job encouraging responsibility, and helping people pull themselves up from their current situation.

Maybe it is the bankers fault, they must have poked holes in all the condoms they were handing out in the highschools.

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[billvon 3,118]

>She then proceeded to explain to the teller that her son has had 16 kids.

Good for him!

>Her adopted daughter had 5 kids.

Good for her for adopting an unwanted child!

>We really are doing a great job encouraging responsibility, and helping
>people pull themselves up from their current situation.

If you're saying that having a lot of kids means you're irresponsible - I don't agree at all. You have a responsibility to support them. But if your attitude is "anyone who has a big family isn't supporting their children" you are way off base.

[DanJohnson 0]

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We really are doing a great job encouraging responsibility, and helping people pull themselves up from their current situation.

Maybe it is the bankers fault, they must have poked holes in all the condoms they were handing out in the highschools.

I seem to remember during the Reagan years a push to stop teaching sex ed and teaching abstinence instead.

[Bolas 5]

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>She then proceeded to explain to the teller that her son has had 16 kids.

Good for him!

>Her adopted daughter had 5 kids.

Good for her for adopting an unwanted child!

>We really are doing a great job encouraging responsibility, and helping
>people pull themselves up from their current situation.

If you're saying that having a lot of kids means you're irresponsible - I don't agree at all. You have a responsibility to support them. But if your attitude is "anyone who has a big family isn't supporting their children" you are way off base.

You missed the first part:

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a woman was in there cashing a check, she didn't have a bank account, but it was written on this bank so they could cash it.

She asked for some lolly pops for her grandkids etc.

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[loumeinhart 0]

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i did answer your question. it is cheaper than the current private system so money will be saved overall...

That is a negative ghostrider.

You have no idea what I pay monthly and the kind of service I receive from my private insurer. It's highly unlikely that the Federal government could provide me the same coverage and level of service for the price I pay now.