rushmc 23 #1 July 26, 2011 Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #2 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will Once again you cannot produce any evidence that will show American public support for the Republicans on this issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will Once again you cannot produce any evidence that will show American public support for the Republicans on this issue. Oh the Al Queda ( the religious base of the right wing nutters) supports their position.. scorched earth... take away from the American people.. and give to the anti american corporations and their masters.. the 1% who owns almost everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will Once again you cannot produce any evidence that will show American public support for the Republicans on this issue. Oh ya I can Google is your friend Look up the CNN poll which was only reported on their web site for an instance Good stuff Numbers in the 60's say you are wrong"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #5 July 26, 2011 QuoteOnce again you cannot produce any evidence that will show American public support for the Republicans on this issue. I don't support either of them on this issue. They are all a bunch of fucking idiots, and they are grossly negligent to let it get this far. If the republicans had their way they would slash spending to such an extent that it would cripple the weak economy we have now. If the democrats had their way they would have hollow spending cuts and accounting gimicks. Taxes would go through the roof and the problem still wouldn't be fixed. Our bond rating would be slashed and we would be fucked. You would think between the two of them they could put their heads together and come up with one functioning plan, but instead they are just a bunch of fuck ups. And don't get me started on all the House Freshmen teaparty retards that actually think a debt default would be a good move. That idea is right up there with some of DreamDancers economy posts!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #6 July 26, 2011 Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard What's wrong with that? It sounds reasonable. He's calling for "compromise". And he's offered compromise. Boehner, on the other hand, is saying "no compromise. Forget what the American people want. It's my way or the highway". But it's what I've come to expect from the party of "no". Personally I thought Boehner was a jerk. Obama did a pretty good job of blaming Washington politics for the problem. Boehner blamed Obama for everything. He took no responsibility for helping create this mess when he was one of the key players in the "starve the beast" strategy that caused much of the trouble that we're in. Quote He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will I think that's the idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard What's wrong with that? It sounds reasonable. He's calling for "compromise". And he's offered compromise. Boehner, on the other hand, is saying "no compromise. Forget what the American people want. It's my way or the highway". But it's what I've come to expect from the party of "no". Personally I thought Boehner was a jerk. Obama did a pretty good job of blaming Washington politics for the problem. Boehner blamed Obama for everything. He took no responsibility for helping create this mess when he was one of the key players in the "starve the beast" strategy that caused much of the trouble that we're in. Quote He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will I think that's the idea. Obama is to blame for much of this but his idea of compromise is do what I want With a little guts he could have told his listeners to call congress regarless of thier opinions. But he just said call them if you agree with me And in this case FUCK compromise There is a right path and a wrong path choice that has to be made NOW The American people know it, and so does Obama. but the correct path does not get him re-elected (which at this point will not happen anyway)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #8 July 26, 2011 Quote Oh ya I can Google is your friend Look up the CNN poll which was only reported on their web site for an instance Good stuff Numbers in the 60's say you are wrong Actually, numbers in the 60's indicate just the opposite with regard to that poll. Sixty-four percent of people questioned in the CNN/ORC survey say they want a budget plan with both spending cuts and tax hikes for businesses and higher-income Americans. And also from the article: "Most Americans think Obama has acted responsibly in the debt ceiling discussions so far, but nearly two-thirds say the Republicans in Congress have not acted responsibly. Fifty-one percent say they would blame the GOP if the debt ceiling is not raised; only three in ten would blame the president. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Oh ya I can Google is your friend Look up the CNN poll which was only reported on their web site for an instance Good stuff Numbers in the 60's say you are wrong Actually, numbers in the 60's indicate just the opposite with regard to that poll. Sixty-four percent of people questioned in the CNN/ORC survey say they want a budget plan with both spending cuts and tax hikes for businesses and higher-income Americans. And also from the article: "Most Americans think Obama has acted responsibly in the debt ceiling discussions so far, but nearly two-thirds say the Republicans in Congress have not acted responsibly. Fifty-one percent say they would blame the GOP if the debt ceiling is not raised; only three in ten would blame the president. " I think this was the interactive poll I do not think CNN has a balance within the group that watches them I think this is the poll I am talking about A CNN Washinton Post poll of likely voters http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/cnn-poll-drop-in-liberal-support-pushes-obama-approval-rating-down/?iref=allsearch"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #10 July 26, 2011 Actually, the poll you cited is of adults, not likely voters. As you've stated before, polls like that have no meaning. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 July 26, 2011 QuoteActually, the poll you cited is of adults, not likely voters. As you've stated before, polls like that have no meaning. Yep I was just reading through the pdf and you are right This is not the one I was posting about Still looking"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #12 July 26, 2011 Quote Obama is to blame for much of this I disagree. This crisis has been the political strategy for many on the right for decades. Now they have what they wanted. The conservative answer, which evolved in the late 1970s, would be dubbed "starving the beast" during the Reagan years. The idea -- propounded by many members of the conservative intelligentsia, from Alan Greenspan to Irving Kristol -- was basically that sympathetic politicians should engage in a game of bait-and-switch. Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit. That pretty much sums up our current situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 July 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Obama is to blame for much of this I disagree. This crisis has been the political strategy for many on the right for decades. Now they have what they wanted. The conservative answer, which evolved in the late 1970s, would be dubbed "starving the beast" during the Reagan years. The idea -- propounded by many members of the conservative intelligentsia, from Alan Greenspan to Irving Kristol -- was basically that sympathetic politicians should engage in a game of bait-and-switch. Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit. That pretty much sums up our current situation. Ok, I'll bite What do you think we should do then?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #14 July 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Obama is to blame for much of this I disagree. This crisis has been the political strategy for many on the right for decades. Now they have what they wanted. The conservative answer, which evolved in the late 1970s, would be dubbed "starving the beast" during the Reagan years. The idea -- propounded by many members of the conservative intelligentsia, from Alan Greenspan to Irving Kristol -- was basically that sympathetic politicians should engage in a game of bait-and-switch. Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit. That pretty much sums up our current situation. Ok, I'll bite What do you think we should do then? Start by agreeing to compromise. Our government is indeed bloated and needs targeted cutting. But we also need to recognize that revenues are insufficient. This graph shows the that revenues were, for the most part, tracking expenditures until 2000 at which point spending increased and revenue decreased. IMO, agreeing to cut government waste (admittedly a broad statement) and letting the Bush tax cuts expire is a good start . Again, the tax cuts had an expiration date for a reason and we're now seeing what that reason was. But everyone is going to have to contribute to the solution which is the essence of compromise. If people want the market to drive our recovery during this global downturn then that market needs confidence. Two things are limiting that confidence. One is the question of whether or not our leaders can work together to maintain our credit worthiness. The other is our long term debt outlook. You can't fix either problem without working together. So our leaders have a choice, they can compromise or they can play election politics and risk screwing everyone by trashing the economy for anticipated political gain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 July 26, 2011 We need only limit spending to 18% or less of DDP and we will be fine Taxes are high enough And taxing the so called rich will not make a difference anyway The big money is in the middle class because of numbers If spending is not drastically cut, it will not matter anyway"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #16 July 26, 2011 Quote The big money is in the middle class because of numbers Not anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #17 July 26, 2011 >Compromise >My way or the highway >That is what I heard Then you heard wrong, yet again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 July 26, 2011 Quote>Compromise >My way or the highway >That is what I heard Then you heard wrong, yet again. No I heard corretly"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #19 July 26, 2011 >I heard corretly You are batting zero today. First you deny what Beck said, then you make up something that Obama didn't say. Do you imagine no one will check to see if you're lying? In the age of the Internet that is a poor wager indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 July 26, 2011 Quote >I heard corretly You are batting zero today. First you deny what Beck said, then you make up something that Obama didn't say. Do you imagine no one will check to see if you're lying? In the age of the Internet that is a poor wager indeed. You are lying and mischaracterizing what I have posted Can’t stay honest and have a debate Really sad. Now, take a breath and let your anger go It is really showing right now And you are mainly pissed because you cant bully me Obama was talking down to us (including you) And show where I posted that Beck did not say what was posted? You cant do itBut I was being careful not to jump of the destroy some one band wagon Something Quade is good at doing before all the story comes out Go listen Humble pie is not that bad you might even like it So the wager lost is yours"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #21 July 26, 2011 >And show where I posted that Beck did not say what was posted? "As for the story, the head line is not what Beck said." >Now, take a breath and let your anger go Warning! Beck compares terrorist victims to Hitler youth; Obama willing to compromise with Republicans! RushMC meltdown approaching! Danger! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 July 26, 2011 Quote >And show where I posted that Beck did not say what was posted? "As for the story, the head line is not what Beck said." >Now, take a breath and let your anger go Warning! Beck compares terrorist victims to Hitler youth; Obama willing to compromise with Republicans! RushMC meltdown approaching! Danger! Better go read the whole comment AND listen He is talking about the camps!!! Not the kids and it is said in passing You guys are in over your heads"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #23 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will Once again you cannot produce any evidence that will show American public support for the Republicans on this issue. Oh the Al Queda ( the religious base of the right wing nutters) supports their position.. scorched earth... take away from the American people.. and give to the anti american corporations and their masters.. the 1% who owns almost everything Do you count Obama among the right wing nutters since 1) He continues to transfer more money from his citizens to wealthy defense industry companies than the rest of the world put together? 2) He pushed through legislation transferring more money from his citizens to the wealthy health insurance industry by requiring us to buy their product and for them to charge young healthy people no less than 1/3 the infirm elderly? 3) His federal reserve governors bought up piles of worthless debt transferring money from American citizens (indirectly, by way of devaluing the dollar) to wealthy bankers? Or do you reserve the term "right wing nutters" for politicians who use that spin to market themselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #24 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote *** Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will Once again you cannot produce any evidence that will show American public support for the Republicans on this issue. Oh ya I can Google is your friend Look up the CNN poll which was only reported on their web site for an instance Good stuff Numbers in the 60's say you are wrong Dude, I have shown you countless polls over and over again that show the overwhelming of both the right and the left want to see a compromise. They both agree with tax hikes on the rich and spending cuts. It's astounding how some can lie to themselves. the poll you quoted was on approval ratings, not shit about the debt limit. I think people are also looking for you in another thread that you were 100% wrong in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote *** Quote Compromise My way or the highway That is what I heard He asked if you believe in what he is saying call congress What about if we do not agree with him? Call congress? Damn right I will Once again you cannot produce any evidence that will show American public support for the Republicans on this issue. Oh ya I can Google is your friend Look up the CNN poll which was only reported on their web site for an instance Good stuff Numbers in the 60's say you are wrong Dude, I have shown you countless polls over and over again that show the overwhelming of both the right and the left want to see a compromise. They both agree with tax hikes on the rich and spending cuts. It's astounding how some can lie to themselves. the poll you quoted was on approval ratings, not shit about the debt limit. I think people are also looking for you in another thread that you were 100% wrong in. and I have posted polls that show differently, just this morning Which goes back to my points made years ago that most polls are done to make news, not get the feel of the people And I am not wrong He did not comment to the people, he was talking about he camps! GO LISTEN Big difference than what is being portrayed!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
