Obama would lose election today

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I was impressed by the beginning of Jon Huntsman's campaign.

His initial statements as to the type of campaign he'd desire to run was a breath of fresh air in politics. Whether he will continue to follow through with them is another question, but definitely has the right mind set.

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Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman pledged to run a civil campaign and claimed that he and President Barack Obama both love the United States but have different visions of its future.
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But the question each of us wants the voters to answer is, `Who will be the better president, not who's the better American.

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Our political debates today are corrosive. We will conduct this campaign on the high road. I don't think you need to run down someone's reputation to run for president.

And while I may not agree with all of his ideals, if someone from the Republicans had to win, I definitely think he would be the right guy. Problem is that he is close to being a moderate so it may put off some of the Republicans. But if they're willing to sacrifice some social issues for more conservative fiscal beliefs and what appears to be a man with the right mind set - then hopefully if the Dems loose, it will be to him.

Though time will tell if he stays true to his opening words.

He is a long way from a Republican and i hope he does not have any chance

If he is selected he has no chance of winning in much the same way McCain had no chance

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If America was going to vote on a Mormon Republican, I'd much rather see it be Jon Huntsman than Romney.

I don't trust Romney as far as I could throw him. Huntsman seems like a much better choice.

I agree that Obama is most threatened by a "generic Republican," but up against the cretins who are actually running he is in much better shape.

I again state there would be a market for Palin/Bachmann maracas, appropriate in that when either shakes their head it rattles.

Gingrich? Is he still around?

Ron Paul appeals only to those who have three-digit IQs and know what he's talking about. He scares morons, so he does not have a chance (morons LOVE Obama).

Obama is a study in mediocrity from the standpoint of executive ability (typical of modern politics, but even Solon stood out in his day so maybe it has always been thus), but he is still possessed of no uncertain political genius so I would not put any serious money against him at this point.

My biggest objection to the incumbent is that he is typical of Harvard Law School graduates - very bright, very arrogant, and completely unaware of where the limitations of his skillset lie. Being trained to argue away problems, there appears to be no limit to the power of denial (what the hell, it has worked so far).

In any event, there is a good chance that the opposition party will field a candidate so bad that holding one's nose and pulling the lever is not an option, and we will get four more years of whatever it is we have now. Hope? Change? Give me a break.


BSBD,

Winsor

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I agree (Romney = RINO)
I like Ron Paul myself and if enough people would back him .
We would, for the first time in my life see hope and change.

He is really gaining traction now, it is difficult to not take notice of his straight forward and ethical principals.

All the other guys are just the same as each other; Bullshit artists.

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Within “hailing” distance according to new Rasmussen survey

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – According to a newly released survey from Rasmussen, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul comes within “hailing” distance of President Obama, doing better than a majority of the other Republican contenders. The poll puts Paul only 4 points behind Obama at 37 percent to the president’s 41 percent, with a plus/minus 3 percent margin of error.

“This is more exciting news for Dr. Paul’s supporters,” said Ron Paul 2012 spokesman Jesse Benton. “As we’ve been seeing in poll after poll, Americans are sick of the status quo and are eager to support a leader who stands for constitutionally limited government and individual liberty. Ron Paul is that leader”

In a similar head to head survey from last year done by Rasmussen, Paul actually drew a statistical dead heat with the president. And earlier this year in a survey by CNN he does the best out of the other Republicans put up against Obama in a head to head poll.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/07/22/ron-paul-competitive-against-obama-in-new-poll/

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Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%

Congressman Ron Paul may be a long shot to win the Republican presidential nomination, but he runs competitively with President Obama right now.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Paul picking up 37% of the vote, while the president earns 41%. The Texas congressman joins Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry as candidates within hailing distance of the president at this time.

Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces.
Ron Paul

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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Paul picking up 37% of the vote, while the president earns 41%. The Texas congressman joins Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry as candidates within hailing distance of the president at this time.

The problem here, is this is the high water mark for him. And he's still losing. Give the DNC 6 months to educate the voters about every wacko thing he (or his rabid supporters) have said, and it plummets to just the people voting against Obama for anything with a pulse.

In contrast, Romney has a terrible time in the selection process getting past the religion issue, as well as the aforementioned RINO tag. But a lot of Obama's voters from 2008 would go to him. I can't see him getting the nomination, but I certainly could see him winning if the White House can't put on a nice run before the election. (See Reagan and a false recovery in 1984 for an example)

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I live Nevada and the fact that Harry Reid is Mormon has never been an issue . the difference is the liberals are looking for anything to nail a conservative . Harry Reid was in office for years before i was aware of his beliefs.
Romney is not even the candidate yet everyone is aware of his beliefs. The truth is plain to see.

It's not an issue because he's a Democratic Senator in what is likely the second greatest Mormon (Las Vegas, of all places) concentration in the country, behind Utah of course. Were he to run for President, it would quickly become a concern in CA, given the LDS meddling in the gay marriage initiatives.

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*sigh* "generic republican" means absolutely nothing.

On the Libertarian side of the house, I actually prefer Gary Johnson to Ron Paul. I lived in NM when he was governor, and he actually got shit done.

Too bad no one is talking about him.

As for the others? eh, point me to a survey that tells me he'd lose to one of the named candidates, then maybe i'll pay attention. As it is, "republicans" are so divided right now, I can't see anything real until primary time.

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

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I actually prefer Gary Johnson to Ron Paul.

Johnson may be a shoe-in to get the "stoner" vote. No more than that. Like Ron Paul, Johnson is blunt and to the point. This seems to confuse those who are too use to hearing bullshit. Truth tends to scramble the minds of those caught up in the rhetoric that is spewed by the RWC favorites. Paul and Johnson just makes to much sense.
Now that's a ticket I'd like to see, Paul and Johnson(or Johnson and Paul.)

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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If America was going to vote on a Mormon Republican, I'd much rather see it be Jon Huntsman than Romney.

No kidding.
I've known Jon for 35 years. He's a straight up guy, and actually quite liberal (exceptionally educated, has adopted children from China, speaks both Chinese dialects fluently, musically talented) and although he's a Mormon, he's a real person first.
Find one of my old posts on Mitt; he was busted for lying to LEO when he was living here in Utah during the Olympics. Had to work around him for a coupla months; the guy is a teflon monster.

Jon doesn't have much of a chance, but he'd be very good in the office. His running mate for Lieutenant Gov in Utah is rapidly undoing a lot of the very good things Huntsman did for the state. Gov. Herbert is a close contemporary (and former business associate) of Romney. Romney's sons serve as "advisors" to Herbert, who is deeply in the pocket of the LDS faith.

Huntsman isn't the favored boy amongst Utah's faithful.