What does an employer owe an employee

[jclalor 12]

I work in a privately owned, 90% state funded medical care facility. We have about 120 employees, mostly nurses, respiratory therapist and nursing assistants. With the current financial situation in California, we have not had a raise in 2 years, lost about 10% of our accruing vacation and now pay much more for our insurance.

With the recent budget passed in California, our facility stands to loose 10% in state reimbursements and the rumor is we will take a 5 - 10% pay cut.

The ironic thing is, my co-workers that seem the most insensed are my Republican friends. The ones constantly screaming that the government needs to slash spending across the board and how dare the owner of our facility not figure out a way to absorb the cost himself. The owner is the most generous boss I have ever had. They say that if they take a cut in pay they will simply put out 10% less in productivity. It's also ironic that someone who despises every government regulation can then quote you every labor law in the book.

It's funny how they support a persons right to make a million bucks unfettered until it's off their back.

I'll also spare you the irony of them making a living providing health care thats funded by the government.

[wayneflorida 0]

What does an employer owe an employee?

The right to gripe.

[Rstanley0312 1]

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I work in a privately owned, 90% state funded medical care facility. We have about 120 employees, mostly nurses, respiratory therapist and nursing assistants. With the current financial situation in California, we have not had a raise in 2 years, lost about 10% of our accruing vacation and now pay much more for our insurance.

With the recent budget passed in California, our facility stands to loose 10% in state reimbursements and the rumor is we will take a 5 - 10% pay cut.

The ironic thing is, my co-workers that seem the most insensed are my Republican friends. The ones constantly screaming that the government needs to slash spending across the board and how dare the owner of our facility not figure out a way to absorb the cost himself. The owner is the most generous boss I have ever had. They say that if they take a cut in pay they will simply put out 10% less in productivity. It's also ironic that someone who despises every government regulation can then quote you every labor law in the book.

It's funny how they support a persons right to make a million bucks unfettered until it's off their back.

I'll also spare you the irony of them making a living providing health care thats funded by the government.

It does not sound like they are very republican to me. the employer owes an employee nothing other than the job and pay at what he/she sees fit. If the pay goes up.... great.... if it goes down.... then a person has the right to find another job. Otherwise, deal with it.

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[Andy9o8 3]

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The ironic thing is, my co-workers that seem the most insensed are my Republican friends. The ones constantly screaming that the government needs to slash spending across the board and how dare the owner of our facility not figure out a way to absorb the cost himself. The owner is the most generous boss I have ever had. They say that if they take a cut in pay they will simply put out 10% less in productivity. It's also ironic that someone who despises every government regulation can then quote you every labor law in the book.

It's funny how they support a persons right to make a million bucks unfettered until it's off their back.

Yep. And these are the same people who tell the joke about how a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. (You know, no matter how many times that joke gets told, it just never gets old...)

[Belgian_Draft 0]

If the employee is a Republican: The employer owes them a fair wage for the work provided. Anything more is fringe benefits to entice the employee to stay.
If the employee is a Democrat: The employer owes them every penny the employer can beg, borrow or steal. They also owe them health insurance, 10 weeks paid vacation, paid holidays, 26 weeks family leave (paid), and also must run the company the way the employees tell them. Oh, one more thing....the employer must take all the blame when the business fails and all are unemployed. In that case the emploer must somehow find a way to pay unemployment benefits and still provide health insurance.

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[billvon 3,132]

>If the employee is a Republican: The employer owes them a fair wage
>for the work provided.

Apparently not. (See first post.)

[Amazon 7]

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If the employee is a Republican: The employer owes them a fair wage for the work provided. Anything more is fringe benefits to entice the employee to stay.
If the employee is a Democrat: The employer owes them every penny the employer can beg, borrow or steal. They also owe them health insurance, 10 weeks paid vacation, paid holidays, 26 weeks family leave (paid), and also must run the company the way the employees tell them. Oh, one more thing....the employer must take all the blame when the business fails and all are unemployed. In that case the emploer must somehow find a way to pay unemployment benefits and still provide health insurance.

Queue the Twilight Zone theme yet again.

[billvon 3,132]

>It does not sound like they are very republican to me.

To quote a Tea Partyer:

"That’s a conundrum, isn’t it? I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security. I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind."

And THAT is, unfortunately, a modern Republican. Smaller government and more personal responsibility - as long as the cuts don't affect them and they don't need to exercise any additional responsibility.

[AndyBoyd 0]

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The ironic thing is, my co-workers that seem the most insensed are my Republican friends. The ones constantly screaming that the government needs to slash spending across the board and how dare the owner of our facility not figure out a way to absorb the cost himself. The owner is the most generous boss I have ever had. They say that if they take a cut in pay they will simply put out 10% less in productivity. It's also ironic that someone who despises every government regulation can then quote you every labor law in the book.

It's funny how they support a persons right to make a million bucks unfettered until it's off their back.

Yep. And these are the same people who tell the joke about how a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. (You know, no matter how many times that joke gets told, it just never gets old...)

The flip-side of that joke: A liberal is a conservative who just got arrested.

[rushmc 23]

First know I did not read your OP, the the thread title.

My answer is?

An hours pay for an hours work

Nothing more, nothing less

You want to be looked at as more than that?

Make yourself something valuable to the company or person you work for.

If you think you are or know you are doing this, and you feel you are still looked at as less than valuable to the cause, move along. And while or when you do that, get very introspective.

The hardest lessons you can learn are about your self

Those same lessons are also the most valuable, if you really care to learn from them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[rushmc 23]

Now I have read your OP

People with the skills you have are in great demand here in Iowa
If you are willing to move you can make a great living here>

You can see the oportunity on the web if you think you could move

If you have questions about a city or town here. let me know

I have been to most here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jclalor 12]

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Now I have read your OP

People with the skills you have are in great demand here in Iowa
If you are willing to move you can make a great living here>

You can see the oportunity on the web if you think you could move

If you have questions about a city or town here. let me know

I have been to most here

I appreciate the offer of help, fortunately the worst for me would be a 10% pay cut, it would suck but health care workers in the Bay area are still (over) payed pretty well

The funny thing is the state can cut our funding but still require us to keep a certain Nurse/Patient ratio, so no one would loose their job

[GeorgiaDon 385]

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It does not sound like they are very republican to me. the employer owes an employee nothing other than the job and pay at what he/she sees fit. If the pay goes up.... great.... if it goes down.... then a person has the right to find another job. Otherwise, deal with it.

An employee is owed an honest disclosure of what the pay and benefits (if any) will be, what the expectations are, and a safe work environment (within the constraints of the job, some have inherent dangers). I know people who have had jobs where new, uncompensated responsibilities appeared out the blue. I even know a few (working for a biotech startup) who got to the end of the month only to be told there was no money to pay them for the month they had already worked, and there might not be money for a while, but a "big contract was in the pipeline" so they would eventually get paid, but only if they stayed and continued to work for IOUs. If they left, then they would have to go to court to try to get their back pay. They did leave, there was no "big contract in the pipeline", and they never did get paid.

Don

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