Awesome things "god" does.

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Dude, the tetragrammaton (yod heh vav heh) is not pronounced, ever. In practice, one says "Adonai."

HaShem (the name) is pronounced only by Kohainim in the Temple, in isolation, under very specific circumstances.

An attempt to sound knowledgeable has done nothing but display consummate ignorance, as usual. It's like having a whuffo show up at a DZ and pontificate on the nuances of skydiving.


BSBD,

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When Jesus cried "It is finished" and gave up His spirit, the curtain of the temple was torn into and the Holy of Holies was revealed to all.

Again, according to the pagans who sought to claim legitimacy in his name (FWIW).

The laws to which Jesus adhered were unaffected by his presence or passing.

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It's also interesting to note just how much slack is given to the more liberal posters here. Sure, there's an occasional "Ok...that's enough...last warning. But as you can see, the length of plank one can walk seems to be much longer for some people. Predictability, those with the most leeway tend to be the most obnoxious. On a side note, it is an excellent example of the total depravity/inability of man.

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Advise, not false hope.

In the counseling profession we know that advice never works. Remember, free advice is worth what you pay for it.

A question came to mind, how do you tell the difference between false hope and real hope?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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When Jesus cried "It is finished" and gave up His spirit, the curtain of the temple was torn into and the Holy of Holies was revealed to all.

Again, according to the pagans who sought to claim legitimacy in his name (FWIW).

The laws to which Jesus adhered were unaffected by his presence or passing.

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A question came to mind, how do you tell the difference between false hope and real hope?

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When Jesus cried "It is finished" and gave up His spirit, the curtain of the temple was torn into and the Holy of Holies was revealed to all.

Again, according to the pagans who sought to claim legitimacy in his name (FWIW).

The laws to which Jesus adhered were unaffected by his presence or passing.

Do you think it was just an elaborate Jewish hoax designed to enslave the minds of weak Jews and gentiles for then and thousands of generations in the future?

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Do you think it was just an elaborate Jewish hoax designed to enslave the minds of weak Jews and gentiles for then and thousands of generations in the future?

Nope, Roman.

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Do you think it was just an elaborate Jewish hoax designed to enslave the minds of weak Jews and gentiles for then and thousands of generations in the future?

Nope, Roman.

If that is the case, it is pure genius. Not only has the hoax been perpetuated but, it produces the results in the individual that it purports to produce. That is, once the buy in occurs individual lives are changed.

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I am always taken back by you scientific guys that refuse to accept the evidence of changed lives through personal testimony.

I see that as evidence that belief in a god can help to change some people's lives. But it is not evidence that a god actually exists.

What do you believe in? Have you exercised your belief in circumstances where you have reached beyond your grasp or, in circumstances where evil is about to overwhelm you?

I believe in a lot of things, none of which really replace the "god" idea. But then it's not an either/or situation. We can reject a seemingly false idea without having to have something to replace it. Much of life is a mystery to me. I can wish I had all the answers, but I don't have them. I can pretend to believe in a god, but I don't believe. And I don't think pretending would have the same effect as actually believing.

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I believe in a lot of things, none of which really replace the "god" idea. But then it's not an either/or situation. We can reject a seemingly false idea without having to have something to replace it. Much of life is a mystery to me. I can wish I had all the answers, but I don't have them. I can pretend to believe in a god, but I don't believe. And I don't think pretending would have the same effect as actually believing.

There is an old saying, when you get to the end of it and Jesus is all that you have left, you will find that Jesus is all you need.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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There is an old saying, when you get to the end of it and Jesus is all that you have left, you will find that Jesus is all you need.

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There is an old saying, when you get to the end of it and Jesus is all that you have left, you will find that Jesus is all you need.

Hey, if that works for you, then it works for you. Can't argue with that.

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Belief by its very nature is a commitment to, and acceptance of, ignorance.

This is hardly limited to the Magic Jewish Zombie.

I don't think you meant that first statement as it reads. Certainly, some beliefs are based on a factual foundation.

The MJZ, as you like call Jesus Christ, is understood by the majority of the people in our society at this juncture in time and space. Therefore, if it is a Roman hoax and it produces the desired results then, it is viable.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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There is an old saying, when you get to the end of it and Jesus is all that you have left, you will find that Jesus is all you need.

Hey, if that works for you, then it works for you. Can't argue with that.

The point I keep emphasizing, it works for me. I can help anyone understand how it can work for them as well, if they are interested in walking that path. Furthermore, once that path is chosen the pilgrim can find many others with which to fellowship while on the journey.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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No, as usual you have no idea what I am saying or not saying.

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I wholeheartedly agree, and that is what I have come to expect from you.

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Cool. How come you did not pick the Tooth Fairy, as a matter of sheer equivalence?

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As usual, everything you conclude would require a great deal of improvement to rise to the standard of being simply wrong.

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I would be horrified if whether or not you found something admirable was of the slightest concern. Frankly, if you approved of anything you "thought" I said or did, I would be concerned.

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You know less than nothing, and do not know from honesty.

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Gee, you're not just sad, you're sorry.

That was impressive. Absolutely none of the replies above had any substance

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Whatever.

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Enough, little fella. Go play with your invisible friend.

It's also interesting to note just how much slack is given to the more liberal posters here. Sure, there's an occasional "Ok...that's enough...last warning. But as you can see, the length of plank one can walk seems to be much longer for some people. Predictability, those with the most leeway tend to be the most obnoxious. On a side note, it is an excellent example of the total depravity/inability of man.

Perhaps you could have quoted the post that you considered unfairly singled out for the only reason of coming from a conservative poster.

I think your a bit too sensitive. I had one of the more extreme Christian posters once tell me to go fuck my mother, and nothing happened to him.

Sticks and stones.....

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>The point I keep emphasizing, it works for me.

That's great!

>I can help anyone understand how it can work for them as well, if they are
> interested in walking that path.

That's also great. Just realize that other people walk other paths just as valid as yours. No one expects you to switch paths. But if you expect people to accept your path as a valid choice for you, it would behoove you to accept theirs as well.

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>The point I keep emphasizing, it works for me.

That's great!

>I can help anyone understand how it can work for them as well, if they are
> interested in walking that path.

That's also great. Just realize that other people walk other paths just as valid as yours. No one expects you to switch paths. But if you expect people to accept your path as a valid choice for you, it would behoove you to accept theirs as well.

I do. You frequently hint that I do not.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I can pretend to believe in a god, but I don't believe. And I don't think pretending would have the same effect as actually believing.

I agree with this. There are lots of people who claim to believe yet live their lives as though God never gave them laws to obey. I've heard Sunday described as the greatest day of idolatry of the week. Matthew 7 describes this brand of hypocritical and insincere Christianity and the ineffective/non-saving nature of it very well. I at least respect the persons position which includes honest disbelief as opposed to someone living a lie. Even if that person is wrong and there are tragic consequences in the end, at least it's sincere....very wrong.....but sincerely wrong.

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Even if that person is wrong and there are tragic consequences in the end, at least it's sincere....very wrong.....but sincerely wrong.

I laughed so hard it took me a minute to recover when I read that statement!

In the spirit of this thread...PROVE IT!

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."

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Real thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning.

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Where I'm from (not far from where you are) there was a saying, only partly in jest, that "The girls go out on Saturday night and sew their wild oats, then go to church Sunday morning and pray for crop failure."

Just West of Gainesville....I still have family there and the reports are that nothing's changed over the last several generations. Small communities are a bitch like that.

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."

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Advise, not false hope.

In the counseling profession we know that advice never works. Remember, free advice is worth what you pay for it.

A question came to mind, how do you tell the difference between false hope and real hope?

What is this? Another question? Yet, you still have not answered my question! Typical.
I reckon I had false hope that you would.

GLORY BE THE ALMIGHTY LEPRECHAUN!
HE IS THE TRUTH AND THE WAY!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Even if that person is wrong and there are tragic consequences in the end, at least it's sincere....very wrong.....but sincerely wrong.

You know, I try to live a good life, try to help others when I can, try not to hurt others. If there turns out to be some vicious god who created me with a brain that isn't wired to believe in him, who then punishes me eternally for not believing in him, then so be it. But I see no reason to believe that that is the case, so I'm not worried about it.

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Also, the criteria for the Mosiach are quite specific, and Jesus did not even come close - though the attempt was very clumsily made in retrospect to claim the mantle.

Do your homework.

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Keely, that was very well stated. The very first sentence of your post exactly mirrors the way I go about my life daily. Not because I believe there's necessarily a negative consequence if I don't, but simply because I believe that's the way folks should treat one another.

I don't factor a "higher power", whoever or whatever that may or may not be, into how I conduct myself. Be kind to people, whoever they are, and wherever you may find them.

That's not to say I've succeeded in this philosophy all my life, but I've done my best. I've corrected some rude folks, and been corrected myself on occasion. Generally not due to rudeness on my part (although I can be, when I feel it's called for), but due to differences in opinion. It takes a bunch to get me to that point, but that point does exist.

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."