Awesome things "god" does.

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And you have to make a similar assumption on the origins of God.

True. I do not deny my presupposition and admit that it influences the way I view the world. Many here, however, refuse to admit theirs.

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And you have to make a similar assumption on the origins of God.

True. I do not deny my presupposition and admit that it influences the way I view the world. Many here, however, refuse to admit theirs.

There is, unfortunately, the tendency to assume universality of thought process, which is all too often not the case.

There are concepts that are common in one society, but for which there is no means to express in another.

Thus, when people say "everyone does this" or "it's human nature," it raises flags, since it says more about the person making the claim than about the intended subject.
To assume that everyone has the same propensity for blind faith is unrealistic and inaccurate.

Minds work differently - some better than others. Some move about as freely as hummingbirds, some are as barnacles. For one to try to speak for the other is pointless.

To refuse to admit to failings to which one is not subject is hardly an invalid stance.


BSBD,

Winsor

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To refuse to admit to failings to which one is not subject is hardly an invalid stance.

I do feel as though I've accomplished something today. I believe I have found the one perfect person still on the planet. It is a privilege. I must admit now, none of my discussions with regard to the need for righteousness and accountability pertain to you. You obviously are righteous in and of yourself and are not in need of help (certainly not from Jesus Christ). His sacrifice and intercession are not for you.

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To refuse to admit to failings to which one is not subject is hardly an invalid stance.

I do feel as though I've accomplished something today. I believe I have found the one perfect person still on the planet. It is a privilege. I must admit now, none of my discussions with regard to the need for righteousness and accountability pertain to you. You obviously are righteous in and of yourself and are not in need of help (certainly not from Jesus Christ). His sacrifice and intercession are not for you.

Whatever.

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There is, unfortunately, the tendency to assume universality of thought process, which is all too often not the case.


Thus, when people say "everyone does this" or "it's human nature," it raises flags, since it says more about the person making the claim than about the intended subject.

To assume that everyone has the same propensity for blind faith is unrealistic and inaccurate.

BSBD,

Winsor

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>It would seem logical that the burden of proof would be on those who say He doesn't exit.

Actually, I think that if the religious types want validation, it would seem like the burden of proof would be on them to just agree on what God _is_ before they demand that their God (in any one of its multitude of variants) be taken seriously.

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No, as usual you have no idea what I am saying or not saying.

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I wholeheartedly agree, and that is what I have come to expect from you.

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Cool. How come you did not pick the Tooth Fairy, as a matter of sheer equivalence?

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As usual, everything you conclude would require a great deal of improvement to rise to the standard of being simply wrong.

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I would be horrified if whether or not you found something admirable was of the slightest concern. Frankly, if you approved of anything you "thought" I said or did, I would be concerned.

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You know less than nothing, and do not know from honesty.

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Gee, you're not just sad, you're sorry.

That was impressive. Absolutely none of the replies above had any substance

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Whatever.

Impressive!

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Whatever.

Impressive!

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There is, unfortunately, the tendency to assume universality of thought process, which is all too often not the case.


Thus, when people say "everyone does this" or "it's human nature," it raises flags, since it says more about the person making the claim than about the intended subject.

To assume that everyone has the same propensity for blind faith is unrealistic and inaccurate.

BSBD,

Winsor

Not much of an assumption to see how cultures and societies have responded to God through out the ages. He has been in the forefront of our species psyche from pre-history until now . It would seem logical that the burden of proof would be on those who say He doesn't exit. Because if He does there may be hell to pay. If He doesn't, we all drift off into oblivion none the worse for ware.


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Whatever.

Impressive!

Good that you are so easily amused.

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Which of the many many gods are you referring to??

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So all the gods are real!

I always liked Odin.

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So all the gods are real!

I always liked Odin.

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Whatever.

Impressive!

Good that you are so easily amused.

Doesn't take much to keep me entertained. You're doing a fine job.

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It would seem logical that the burden of proof would be on those who say He doesn't exit.

bullshit. the burden of proof is on the claimant. Always has been. just because you don't believe that does not make it false.

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So all the gods are real!

I always liked Odin.

You never know, YEHWEH said to put Him first so there must be others out there. Choose well.

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What makes yours special?

It works and it is available to all sinners without special training.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I am always taken back by you scientific guys that refuse to accept the evidence of changed lives through personal testimony.

Do you guys have anything to offer in the way of hope besides sex, drugs, money, power, etc?

Correlation does not imply causality.

The shaman that goes out every single morning and performs the ritual to raise the sun has an important social function. The suggestion that there is a causal relationship between the two is easily refuted.

Neither you nor I drink nor take drugs, since Reagan was president on my part. Does that prove or disprove the existence of Zeus, Baal or the Loch Ness Monster in and of itself? Not a chance.

I think it is great that you are enjoying life. Mazel Tov.

I think your rationalizations are complete tripe, but it is still good for you to have a fine quality of life.

Some of the happiest people I know are case studies of how ignorance is bliss - and I am a bit envious. My son has never known anything but love, care, attention and kindness, and he is the sweetest kid I have ever met. Ah, if I didn't know now what I didn't know then...


BSBD,

Winsor

I didn't understand what you have to offer.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I am always taken back by you scientific guys that refuse to accept the evidence of changed lives through personal testimony.

One can just as easily say that the power of leprechauns delivered him/her from the grip of alcohol/drugs. As with saying that a "God" delivered them, there is no "evidence" that the "Almighty Leprechaun" changed ones life. Would you not question such a claim? Or, would you look at them and say "why yes, you have changed! GLORY BE THE ALMIGHTY LEPRECHAUNS!" I doubt that you would.

I pose the same question to you. What do you have to offer someone in need?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I am always taken back by you scientific guys that refuse to accept the evidence of changed lives through personal testimony.

I see that as evidence that belief in a god can help to change some people's lives. But it is not evidence that a god actually exists.

What do you believe in? Have you exercised your belief in circumstances where you have reached beyond your grasp or, in circumstances where evil is about to overwhelm you?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Dude, the tetragrammaton (yod heh vav heh) is not pronounced, ever. In practice, one says "Adonai."

HaShem (the name) is pronounced only by Kohainim in the Temple, in isolation, under very specific circumstances.

An attempt to sound knowledgeable has done nothing but display consummate ignorance, as usual. It's like having a whuffo show up at a DZ and pontificate on the nuances of skydiving.


BSBD,

Winsor

When Jesus cried "It is finished" and gave up His spirit, the curtain of the temple was torn into and the Holy of Holies was revealed to all.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Dude, the tetragrammaton (yod heh vav heh) is not pronounced, ever. In practice, one says "Adonai."

HaShem (the name) is pronounced only by Kohainim in the Temple, in isolation, under very specific circumstances.

An attempt to sound knowledgeable has done nothing but display consummate ignorance, as usual. It's like having a whuffo show up at a DZ and pontificate on the nuances of skydiving.


BSBD,

Winsor

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Dude, the tetragrammaton (yod heh vav heh) is not pronounced, ever. In practice, one says "Adonai."

HaShem (the name) is pronounced only by Kohainim in the Temple, in isolation, under very specific circumstances.

An attempt to sound knowledgeable has done nothing but display consummate ignorance, as usual. It's like having a whuffo show up at a DZ and pontificate on the nuances of skydiving.


BSBD,

Winsor

With all due respect to God and the use of His Name, it really is a shame you all missed the Messiah. Because through Him God is available in a much different way than how He was through the Jewish people.


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No, as usual you have no idea what I am saying or not saying.

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I wholeheartedly agree, and that is what I have come to expect from you.

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Cool. How come you did not pick the Tooth Fairy, as a matter of sheer equivalence?

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As usual, everything you conclude would require a great deal of improvement to rise to the standard of being simply wrong.

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I would be horrified if whether or not you found something admirable was of the slightest concern. Frankly, if you approved of anything you "thought" I said or did, I would be concerned.

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You know less than nothing, and do not know from honesty.

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Gee, you're not just sad, you're sorry.

That was impressive. Absolutely none of the replies above had any substance

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Whatever.

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Enough, little fella. Go play with your invisible friend.

It's also interesting to note just how much slack is given to the more liberal posters here. Sure, there's an occasional "Ok...that's enough...last warning. But as you can see, the length of plank one can walk seems to be much longer for some people. Predictability, those with the most leeway tend to be the most obnoxious. On a side note, it is an excellent example of the total depravity/inability of man.

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I pose the same question to you.

Yet, you can't (refuse to) answer the question I ask?
Oddly, I expect no less from the religious. You people have never been able to offer anything logical.

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What do you have to offer someone in need?

Advise, not false hope.
Just now, I am watching the morning news. They are reporting on Russell and Rebecca Porter whose remains were found a few days ago. For several months, religious leaders have been putting out there that "God" is protecting them. "God" will bring them home safe. Now that it is clear that no such "God" is protecting them or going to bring them home, they are now saying that "God" led the police to the bodies to bring closure for the families. Now, it is "God's will" that these two be brought to him to "bask in the glory of the Lord!" What a crock of shit. So, "God" had someone murder these people so that they may "bask in the glory of the Lord?" God is false hope and not attached to the reality of life.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young