normiss 903 #451 August 2, 2011 Your thoughtful and supportive response is of great help when trying to understand one's beliefs. Thanks for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #452 August 2, 2011 Sorry, were you actually trying to say something? all I heard was..."bullshit...Christianity, Blah blah blah - *crazy face*" If you'd like to try again, please articulate your inquiry calmly and coherently so I can understand what you're talking about and maybe I'd be so obliged to reply in kind...but your posting history tells me you're not here for understanding, so please...don't gimme that crap.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 25 #453 August 2, 2011 QuoteSome things are attributed simply to the fact that we live in an imperfect world tainted by sin in which bad things happen. God causes some things to occur. God allows other things to happen. Either way, God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign. I attribute my son's recovery as well as his sickness to God's Providence. I know God will take care of my son in life or in death. Was there a reason for his sickness? I think so but I'm not certain. I know it greatly strengthened my faith as well as my wife and her mother. And my son understands also. I think his experience will be instrumental in his own faith and walk through life. Bottom line....no matter what happens in life....God is good....all the time. If my son had died, God is still good and worthy of praise. He will see my son till the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #454 August 2, 2011 Ok, that made no logical sense at all. God allowed/caused your kid to be sick then God cured your kid of the sickness so your reponse boils down to no matter what god does be it something good or bad, "God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign". In other word don't question God! Sounds like a brainwashed response to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,174 #455 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteWith so many different takes on Christianity I still don't see how his is any less valid then yours or anyone else's. At least Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah Witness', Mormons agree more than they disagree. Probably explains the burnings at the stake, torture during the Inquisition, Mormon massacre of "gentiles" in 1857, etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,608 #456 August 2, 2011 Quoteall I heard was..."bullshit...Christianity, Blah blah blah - *crazy face*" So now you know what it's like to read your posts. QuoteIf you'd like to try again, please articulate your inquiry calmly and coherently so I can understand what you're talking about Seriously? Dude, that's like rushmc calling someone out on spelling!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #457 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWith so many different takes on Christianity I still don't see how his is any less valid then yours or anyone else's. At least Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah Witness', Mormons agree more than they disagree. Probably explains the burnings at the stake, torture during the Inquisition, Mormon massacre of "gentiles" in 1857, etc. I doubt it...These types of incidents primarily seem to be the cause of evil men using religion as an excuse to fullfill their selfish desires. 1 Timothy 6:4-10 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. Now there is great gain in godliness with contentment, for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaybird18c 25 #458 August 2, 2011 QuoteOk, that made no logical sense at all. God allowed/caused your kid to be sick then God cured your kid of the sickness so your reponse boils down to no matter what god does be it something good or bad, "God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign". In other word don't question God! Sounds like a brainwashed response to me. God made the place. He makes the rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #459 August 2, 2011 Prove it. I don't believe you. Prove your God even exists! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #460 August 2, 2011 I'll admit...I've had my moments. I hope you enjoyed them...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #461 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteOk, that made no logical sense at all. God allowed/caused your kid to be sick then God cured your kid of the sickness so your reponse boils down to no matter what god does be it something good or bad, "God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign". In other word don't question God! Sounds like a brainwashed response to me. God made the place. He makes the rules. To say that you use circular logic would be to imply that you use anything resembling logic. That does not even rise to the level of Argumentum ad Ignorantiam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,174 #462 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWith so many different takes on Christianity I still don't see how his is any less valid then yours or anyone else's. At least Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah Witness', Mormons agree more than they disagree. Probably explains the burnings at the stake, torture during the Inquisition, Mormon massacre of "gentiles" in 1857, etc. I doubt it...These types of incidents primarily seem to be the cause of evil men using religion as an excuse to fullfill their selfish desires. . Oh, the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil despite your self-serving piety.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #463 August 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteSome things are attributed simply to the fact that we live in an imperfect world tainted by sin in which bad things happen. God causes some things to occur. God allows other things to happen. Either way, God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign. I attribute my son's recovery as well as his sickness to God's Providence. I know God will take care of my son in life or in death. Was there a reason for his sickness? I think so but I'm not certain. I know it greatly strengthened my faith as well as my wife and her mother. And my son understands also. I think his experience will be instrumental in his own faith and walk through life. Bottom line....no matter what happens in life....God is good....all the time. If my son had died, God is still good and worthy of praise. He will see my son till the end. I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. Are you just refusing to answer, or do you not have an answer? I posted this several pages back. The questions are in bold type. You stated that you believe that God intervened and saved your child. Giving the enormous amount of suffering in Africa that is, only now, in the headlines, the vast number of children that are dying from starvation, with no end or hope in sight. Why do you feel that a God would see your child as more important to save than the thousands who are dying of starvation? How about the large number of children who have suffered over the many years the world over? Are all of these children less important than yours in your God's eyes?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #464 August 3, 2011 Quotethe same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. QuoteYour religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Heatmiser 0 #465 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. Quote Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Making individual people responsible for their actions does not absolve a system that perpetuates and encourages devisiveness and violence against others. They are not mutually exclusive.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #466 August 3, 2011 I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. Are you just refusing to answer, or do you not have an answer? I posted this several pages back. The questions are in bold type. You stated that you believe that God intervened and saved your child. Giving the enormous amount of suffering in Africa that is, only now, in the headlines, the vast number of children that are dying from starvation, with no end or hope in sight. Why do you feel that a God would see your child as more important to save than the thousands who are dying of starvation? How about the large number of children who have suffered over the many years the world over? Are all of these children less important than yours in your God's eyes? I have some questions. Why do you ask questions that you think you already know the answer? Why do you ask questions that you reject any answers given, before the person answering even has a chance to speak? Since all you have to offer is enlightened despair, why do people who have the Truth and hope annoy you so much? ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Heatmiser 0 #467 August 3, 2011 Quote I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. Are you just refusing to answer, or do you not have an answer? I posted this several pages back. The questions are in bold type. You stated that you believe that God intervened and saved your child. Giving the enormous amount of suffering in Africa that is, only now, in the headlines, the vast number of children that are dying from starvation, with no end or hope in sight. Why do you feel that a God would see your child as more important to save than the thousands who are dying of starvation? How about the large number of children who have suffered over the many years the world over? Are all of these children less important than yours in your God's eyes? I have some questions. Why do you ask questions that you think you already know the answer? Why do you ask questions that you reject any answers given, before the person answering even has a chance to speak? Since all you have to offer is enlightened despair, why do people who have the Truth and hope annoy you so much? ... In other words..."How dare you ask a hard question, that cuts right to the heart of why many people choose to reject my snake oil? I don't have an answer for you, so I will try to make you uncomfortable for asking."What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,174 #468 August 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotethe same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. QuoteYour religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Not only do you not have one shred of objective evidence for the existence of your god, but in the highly improbable case that it actually exists, it is a nasty, cruel, uncaring being. I show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #469 August 3, 2011 QuoteProve it. I don't believe you. Prove your God even exists! Why? Your involvement or self imposed exile from God's Plan has been known from the beginning. God's Plan will be accomplished with or without you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Heatmiser 0 #470 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. Quote Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Making individual people responsible for their actions does not absolve a system that perpetuates and encourages devisiveness and violence against others. They are not mutually exclusive. Not only do you not have one shred of objective evidence for the existence of your god, but in the highly improbable case that it actually exists, it is a nasty, cruel, uncaring being. I show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity. I'm assuming you were replying to someone else.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,174 #471 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. Quote Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Making individual people responsible for their actions does not absolve a system that perpetuates and encourages devisiveness and violence against others. They are not mutually exclusive. Not only do you not have one shred of objective evidence for the existence of your god, but in the highly improbable case that it actually exists, it is a nasty, cruel, uncaring being. I show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity. I'm assuming you were replying to someone else. Right - fixed it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #472 August 3, 2011 In other words..."How dare you ask a hard question, that cuts right to the heart of why many people choose to reject my snake oil? I don't have an answer for you, so I will try to make you uncomfortable for asking." Not even close. The question is not difficult but it is an obvious attempt at baiting. As any atheists will tell you, this world and everything in it evolves and changes according to the preexisting, well defined laws of physics. Life on this planet is a very violent process of survival. God calls us in the midst of the chaos and evil to cleanse ourselves through His Son. God is without defect and call us to be like Him. We all have intrinsic value in the Eyes of God, no one is more important than the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #473 August 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteProve it. I don't believe you. Prove your God even exists! Why? Your involvement or self imposed exile from God's Plan has been known from the beginning. God's Plan will be accomplished with or without you. Because you make these grand claims. Yet can't produce any evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #474 August 3, 2011 QuoteWhy do you ask questions that you think you already know the answer? I do not think, nor do I claim to know the answers to the questions I asked. QuoteWhy do you ask questions that you reject any answers given, before the person answering even has a chance to speak? I may, or may not reject his answer. If I feel that his answer is solely scripture and void of any fact and/or proof, it is my prerogative to reject. QuoteSince all you have to offer is enlightened despair, why do people who have the Truth and hope annoy you so much? Enlightened despair? I offer no such thing. Truth? It is impossible to claim truth when one cannot back up such claims with concrete evidence. I can claim that each and everyone of us will die someday. I have evidence of such. I cannot claim that each and everyone of us will go to Heaven or hell. I have no evidence of such and neither do you. Hope? I do not believe in false hope. I do believe in helping people to be comfortable. I would not tell someone that I will pray for them and that God will pull them through. I would not tell someone that with God all things are possible. That is false hope. I rather tell a person to try the the best they can. If everything fails, oh well, that's life. We live and we die. Very simple. What annoys me is the people who preach the power of their God and quickly change the tune when the first sermon prove to be less than zero. Such as "God will bring them home safe." The tune changes when the bodies are found in a shallow grave. False hope."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #475 August 3, 2011 QuoteI show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity. Well, while you flush your fish down the toilet, God is granting eternal life...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... 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beowulf 1 #454 August 2, 2011 Ok, that made no logical sense at all. God allowed/caused your kid to be sick then God cured your kid of the sickness so your reponse boils down to no matter what god does be it something good or bad, "God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign". In other word don't question God! Sounds like a brainwashed response to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #455 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteWith so many different takes on Christianity I still don't see how his is any less valid then yours or anyone else's. At least Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah Witness', Mormons agree more than they disagree. Probably explains the burnings at the stake, torture during the Inquisition, Mormon massacre of "gentiles" in 1857, etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,608 #456 August 2, 2011 Quoteall I heard was..."bullshit...Christianity, Blah blah blah - *crazy face*" So now you know what it's like to read your posts. QuoteIf you'd like to try again, please articulate your inquiry calmly and coherently so I can understand what you're talking about Seriously? Dude, that's like rushmc calling someone out on spelling!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #457 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWith so many different takes on Christianity I still don't see how his is any less valid then yours or anyone else's. At least Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah Witness', Mormons agree more than they disagree. Probably explains the burnings at the stake, torture during the Inquisition, Mormon massacre of "gentiles" in 1857, etc. I doubt it...These types of incidents primarily seem to be the cause of evil men using religion as an excuse to fullfill their selfish desires. 1 Timothy 6:4-10 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. Now there is great gain in godliness with contentment, for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 25 #458 August 2, 2011 QuoteOk, that made no logical sense at all. God allowed/caused your kid to be sick then God cured your kid of the sickness so your reponse boils down to no matter what god does be it something good or bad, "God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign". In other word don't question God! Sounds like a brainwashed response to me. God made the place. He makes the rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #459 August 2, 2011 Prove it. I don't believe you. Prove your God even exists! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #460 August 2, 2011 I'll admit...I've had my moments. I hope you enjoyed them...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #461 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteOk, that made no logical sense at all. God allowed/caused your kid to be sick then God cured your kid of the sickness so your reponse boils down to no matter what god does be it something good or bad, "God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign". In other word don't question God! Sounds like a brainwashed response to me. God made the place. He makes the rules. To say that you use circular logic would be to imply that you use anything resembling logic. That does not even rise to the level of Argumentum ad Ignorantiam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #462 August 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWith so many different takes on Christianity I still don't see how his is any less valid then yours or anyone else's. At least Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah Witness', Mormons agree more than they disagree. Probably explains the burnings at the stake, torture during the Inquisition, Mormon massacre of "gentiles" in 1857, etc. I doubt it...These types of incidents primarily seem to be the cause of evil men using religion as an excuse to fullfill their selfish desires. . Oh, the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil despite your self-serving piety.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #463 August 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteSome things are attributed simply to the fact that we live in an imperfect world tainted by sin in which bad things happen. God causes some things to occur. God allows other things to happen. Either way, God is holy, just, trustworthy, and sovereign. I attribute my son's recovery as well as his sickness to God's Providence. I know God will take care of my son in life or in death. Was there a reason for his sickness? I think so but I'm not certain. I know it greatly strengthened my faith as well as my wife and her mother. And my son understands also. I think his experience will be instrumental in his own faith and walk through life. Bottom line....no matter what happens in life....God is good....all the time. If my son had died, God is still good and worthy of praise. He will see my son till the end. I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. Are you just refusing to answer, or do you not have an answer? I posted this several pages back. The questions are in bold type. You stated that you believe that God intervened and saved your child. Giving the enormous amount of suffering in Africa that is, only now, in the headlines, the vast number of children that are dying from starvation, with no end or hope in sight. Why do you feel that a God would see your child as more important to save than the thousands who are dying of starvation? How about the large number of children who have suffered over the many years the world over? Are all of these children less important than yours in your God's eyes?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #464 August 3, 2011 Quotethe same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. QuoteYour religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Heatmiser 0 #465 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. Quote Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Making individual people responsible for their actions does not absolve a system that perpetuates and encourages devisiveness and violence against others. They are not mutually exclusive.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #466 August 3, 2011 I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. Are you just refusing to answer, or do you not have an answer? I posted this several pages back. The questions are in bold type. You stated that you believe that God intervened and saved your child. Giving the enormous amount of suffering in Africa that is, only now, in the headlines, the vast number of children that are dying from starvation, with no end or hope in sight. Why do you feel that a God would see your child as more important to save than the thousands who are dying of starvation? How about the large number of children who have suffered over the many years the world over? Are all of these children less important than yours in your God's eyes? I have some questions. Why do you ask questions that you think you already know the answer? Why do you ask questions that you reject any answers given, before the person answering even has a chance to speak? Since all you have to offer is enlightened despair, why do people who have the Truth and hope annoy you so much? ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #464 August 3, 2011 Quotethe same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. QuoteYour religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #465 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. Quote Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Making individual people responsible for their actions does not absolve a system that perpetuates and encourages devisiveness and violence against others. They are not mutually exclusive.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #466 August 3, 2011 I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. Are you just refusing to answer, or do you not have an answer? I posted this several pages back. The questions are in bold type. You stated that you believe that God intervened and saved your child. Giving the enormous amount of suffering in Africa that is, only now, in the headlines, the vast number of children that are dying from starvation, with no end or hope in sight. Why do you feel that a God would see your child as more important to save than the thousands who are dying of starvation? How about the large number of children who have suffered over the many years the world over? Are all of these children less important than yours in your God's eyes? I have some questions. Why do you ask questions that you think you already know the answer? Why do you ask questions that you reject any answers given, before the person answering even has a chance to speak? Since all you have to offer is enlightened despair, why do people who have the Truth and hope annoy you so much? ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #467 August 3, 2011 Quote I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. Are you just refusing to answer, or do you not have an answer? I posted this several pages back. The questions are in bold type. You stated that you believe that God intervened and saved your child. Giving the enormous amount of suffering in Africa that is, only now, in the headlines, the vast number of children that are dying from starvation, with no end or hope in sight. Why do you feel that a God would see your child as more important to save than the thousands who are dying of starvation? How about the large number of children who have suffered over the many years the world over? Are all of these children less important than yours in your God's eyes? I have some questions. Why do you ask questions that you think you already know the answer? Why do you ask questions that you reject any answers given, before the person answering even has a chance to speak? Since all you have to offer is enlightened despair, why do people who have the Truth and hope annoy you so much? ... In other words..."How dare you ask a hard question, that cuts right to the heart of why many people choose to reject my snake oil? I don't have an answer for you, so I will try to make you uncomfortable for asking."What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #468 August 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotethe same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. QuoteYour religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Not only do you not have one shred of objective evidence for the existence of your god, but in the highly improbable case that it actually exists, it is a nasty, cruel, uncaring being. I show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #469 August 3, 2011 QuoteProve it. I don't believe you. Prove your God even exists! Why? Your involvement or self imposed exile from God's Plan has been known from the beginning. God's Plan will be accomplished with or without you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #470 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. Quote Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Making individual people responsible for their actions does not absolve a system that perpetuates and encourages devisiveness and violence against others. They are not mutually exclusive. Not only do you not have one shred of objective evidence for the existence of your god, but in the highly improbable case that it actually exists, it is a nasty, cruel, uncaring being. I show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity. I'm assuming you were replying to someone else.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #471 August 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote the same lame old excuse as always for bad behavior by Christians. Sounds like the perfect answer for the same lame old tiresome ignorant, biased attcaks by athiests...as if they have anything to do with me. I make no excuse for sin whether it is of a believer, atheist, or myself. Quote Your religion has been and still is responsible for a great deal of evil You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility... Making individual people responsible for their actions does not absolve a system that perpetuates and encourages devisiveness and violence against others. They are not mutually exclusive. Not only do you not have one shred of objective evidence for the existence of your god, but in the highly improbable case that it actually exists, it is a nasty, cruel, uncaring being. I show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity. I'm assuming you were replying to someone else. Right - fixed it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #472 August 3, 2011 In other words..."How dare you ask a hard question, that cuts right to the heart of why many people choose to reject my snake oil? I don't have an answer for you, so I will try to make you uncomfortable for asking." Not even close. The question is not difficult but it is an obvious attempt at baiting. As any atheists will tell you, this world and everything in it evolves and changes according to the preexisting, well defined laws of physics. Life on this planet is a very violent process of survival. God calls us in the midst of the chaos and evil to cleanse ourselves through His Son. God is without defect and call us to be like Him. We all have intrinsic value in the Eyes of God, no one is more important than the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #473 August 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteProve it. I don't believe you. Prove your God even exists! Why? Your involvement or self imposed exile from God's Plan has been known from the beginning. God's Plan will be accomplished with or without you. Because you make these grand claims. Yet can't produce any evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #474 August 3, 2011 QuoteWhy do you ask questions that you think you already know the answer? I do not think, nor do I claim to know the answers to the questions I asked. QuoteWhy do you ask questions that you reject any answers given, before the person answering even has a chance to speak? I may, or may not reject his answer. If I feel that his answer is solely scripture and void of any fact and/or proof, it is my prerogative to reject. QuoteSince all you have to offer is enlightened despair, why do people who have the Truth and hope annoy you so much? Enlightened despair? I offer no such thing. Truth? It is impossible to claim truth when one cannot back up such claims with concrete evidence. I can claim that each and everyone of us will die someday. I have evidence of such. I cannot claim that each and everyone of us will go to Heaven or hell. I have no evidence of such and neither do you. Hope? I do not believe in false hope. I do believe in helping people to be comfortable. I would not tell someone that I will pray for them and that God will pull them through. I would not tell someone that with God all things are possible. That is false hope. I rather tell a person to try the the best they can. If everything fails, oh well, that's life. We live and we die. Very simple. What annoys me is the people who preach the power of their God and quickly change the tune when the first sermon prove to be less than zero. Such as "God will bring them home safe." The tune changes when the bodies are found in a shallow grave. False hope."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #475 August 3, 2011 QuoteI show more care for the well being of the fish in my fish tank than your god shows for humanity. Well, while you flush your fish down the toilet, God is granting eternal life...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
