Shotgun 1 #1 July 13, 2011 QuoteThe 51st state should be named South California, says Jeff Stone, a Republican on the the Riverside County Board of Supervisors. But the proposed 13 southern California counties that would split off from the Golden State would not include Los Angeles. Stone told the Times' Phil Willon that the ommission is intentional and is part of a plan that would make for a new conservative Californian state. "Los Angeles is purposely excluded because they have the same liberal policies that Sacramento does. The last thing I want to do is create a state that's a carbon copy of what we have now,'' Stone said. "Los Angeles just enacted a ban on plastic grocery bags. That put three or four manufacturers out of business,'' Stone, a pharmacist from Temecula, said. Stone plans on formally proposing secession Tuesday during a meeting of the Board of Supervisors. South California would encompass Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties, totaling approximately 13 million people. The proposed 51st state would be the fifth largest by population, more populous than Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania. South California would take nearly a third of the population away from California, making the Golden State the second-largest state after Texas. Eleven of the 13 proposed counties in South California traditionally vote Republican, a fact noticed by California Gov. Jerry Brown's office. "If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona," Brown spokesman Gil Duran said. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/south-california-proposed-as-51st-state-by-republican-supervisor.html I'm not real thrilled about this, but hopefully it won't get too far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 July 13, 2011 QuoteI'm not real thrilled about this, but hopefully it won't get too far. This has 0.00% chance of going anywhere. Maybe less than that. What this shows is the petulance of some people when they don't get their way on a couple of issues. They, like many children, threaten to run away from home.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #3 July 13, 2011 QuoteThis has 0.00% chance of going anywhere. Maybe less than that. Yeah, you're probably right. And I see that it has been proposed many times before. I've just been seeing it a lot lately in our local news, since the guy proposing it is from my area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 July 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm not real thrilled about this, but hopefully it won't get too far. This has 0.00% chance of going anywhere. Maybe less than that. What this shows is the petulance of some people when they don't get their way on a couple of issues. They, like many children, threaten to run away from home. I wonder what the racial makeup of those counties are... compared to other surrounding counties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #5 July 13, 2011 The state of "North California" would love this! They could quadruple our water rates!Nothing like some podunk "inbred empire" politician trying to save us from the liberals. Maybe the new state could be named "Methville" or "Doublewide".. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 July 13, 2011 Quote The state of "North California" would love this! They could quadruple our water rates!Nothing like some podunk "inbred empire" politician trying to save us from the liberals. Maybe the new state could be named "Methville" or "Doublewide".. And probably pass laws for English only as the Official Language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #7 July 13, 2011 Southern CA tried to split off before (at the beginning of the Civil War) and join the Confederacy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #8 July 13, 2011 Washington State, possibly Oregon, Idaho, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan should break away from all the bullshit that comes out of Washington DC and Ottawa and form their own country. Of course how long before these breakaway States and Provinces begin disagreeing with each other. We live in a corrupt world. It's always been corrupt and there is no hope for change. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 July 13, 2011 Quote Washington State, possibly Oregon, Idaho, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan should break away from all the bullshit that comes out of Washington DC and Ottawa and form their own country. Of course how long before these breakaway States and Provinces begin disagreeing with each other. We live in a corrupt world. It's always been corrupt and there is no hope for change. Come on Steve.. be honest... you would only want the east sides of BC, WA, OR... then you would only need to deal with a few small enclaves of liberals in Montana Idaho and Alberta. The population centers of most of those states and provinces are places that you would find it hard to tolerate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #10 July 13, 2011 Quote Washington State, possibly Oregon, Idaho, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan should break away from all the bullshit that comes out of Washington DC and Ottawa and form their own country. Of course how long before these breakaway States and Provinces begin disagreeing with each other. We live in a corrupt world. It's always been corrupt and there is no hope for change. That's a lot of dope smoking, hockey playing, tree huggers in one nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 July 13, 2011 Quote Quote Washington State, possibly Oregon, Idaho, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan should break away from all the bullshit that comes out of Washington DC and Ottawa and form their own country. Of course how long before these breakaway States and Provinces begin disagreeing with each other. We live in a corrupt world. It's always been corrupt and there is no hope for change. That's a lot of dope smoking, hockey playing, tree huggers in one nation. Not completely true Grimmie... but the Aryan Nations types have been advocating the same scenario for 40 years now.. for a Great White Homeland... and they ain't so good with any of those things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #12 July 13, 2011 Ignoring WA, OR, ID and MT for a second ... many Western Canada separatists want to secede because of all the bullshit that goes on in Ottawa (there is even more bullshit that goes on in Washington DC). Of course if we were to secede the question of what to do with Vancouver always comes up. But let's not forget Canada gave Hongcover to China several decades ago. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 July 13, 2011 You know what people in Canada should do? Well, try working on that for awhile.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 July 13, 2011 Quote Ignoring WA, OR, ID and MT for a second ... many Western Canada separatists want to secede because of all the bullshit that goes on in Ottawa (there is even more bullshit that goes on in Washington DC). Of course if we were to secede the question of what to do with Vancouver always comes up. But let's not forget Canada gave Hongcover to China several decades ago. You also forget that what you term evil liberals here in the states... are usually more conservative than many so called Canadian conservatives... ooops there goes that Conservative homeland you wanted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #15 July 13, 2011 Quote You know what people in Canada should do? Well, trying working on that for awhile. Well that is my cue to get the fuck out of here, because the resident Moderator (who is anything but an unbias moderate) is showing the world just how much hate exists in that small mind of his. Have a good day, I have better things to do with my time that arguing here on the dork zone. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ECVZZ 0 #16 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote The state of "North California" would love this! They could quadruple our water rates!Nothing like some podunk "inbred empire" politician trying to save us from the liberals. Maybe the new state could be named "Methville" or "Doublewide".. And probably pass laws for English only as the Official Language. That shit'd never fly. Nobody there speaks english. G. Jones "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #17 July 14, 2011 QuoteWhat this shows is the petulance of some people when they don't get their way on a couple of issues. They, like many children, threaten to run away from home. Just out of curiousity, were you quoting King George II or Abraham Lincoln?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 July 14, 2011 QuoteI wonder what the racial makeup of those counties are... compared to other surrounding counties. Fresno? Tulare? Kings? We have the POOREST counties in California. The largest percentage of Latinos and Hmongs anywhere in CA. Your party's bigoted water policies lead to 41% unemployment - primarily the Latinos who work the farms. But they're just redneck farmers and Mexican immigrants. Yes, Jeanne - 41% unemployment. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat this shows is the petulance of some people when they don't get their way on a couple of issues. They, like many children, threaten to run away from home. Just out of curiousity, were you quoting King George II or Abraham Lincoln? Both of those represented the majority view. This is really just one dude being an asshat and absolutely doesn't represent the majority view. Drawing the comparison may seem logical to people that haven't considered the ramifications of revolution or separatist movements, but unless the guy is actually willing to start a war and die for his cause, it should be obvious he's simply grandstanding.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #20 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteI wonder what the racial makeup of those counties are... compared to other surrounding counties. Fresno? Tulare? Kings? We have the POOREST counties in California. The largest percentage of Latinos and Hmongs anywhere in CA. Your party's bigoted water policies lead to 41% unemployment - primarily the Latinos who work the farms. But they're just redneck farmers and Mexican immigrants. Yes, Jeanne - 41% unemployment. Do those people even count to the conservatives who populate those counties??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #21 July 14, 2011 Yes, they do, Jeanne. They don't count to the bigots who run the water boards. It was, after all, a Democrat who ended up being forced to resign from a water board when, after being told of the plight of these people left unemployed and desperate by the diversion of water (which is the commodity that drives farming) that those families aren't exactly raising "doctors or lawyers." It's not the conservatives who demonstrate overt misanthrope. Yes, misanthrope. Recently, Judge Wanger issued a ruling that "human costs" must be considered when making decisions on water delivery. Yep. It turns out that every organism except humans has played into the decision making. Frankly - your own misanthropic attitude is as disheartening as it is typical. The people out here recognize how fucked we are without these people and we take care of them as they take care of us. It's the asshats in the cities that have an utter contempt for those that aren't the doctors and lawyers. You know, the ones who think that doing blow at Harvard is genius and struggling to success is a rural area means you are stupid. The unemployment out here is high because those farmers cannot give work without a crop. It's a sad thing that the ONLY person who tried to give national attention was Hannity because his kooky message on it did more harm than good. I give him credit for trying, but I hate him for his tactics. Sometime you should give a shot at caring about people, Jeanne. It would be nice to see something come from you besides hate. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #22 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI wonder what the racial makeup of those counties are... compared to other surrounding counties. Fresno? Tulare? Kings? We have the POOREST counties in California. The largest percentage of Latinos and Hmongs anywhere in CA. Your party's bigoted water policies lead to 41% unemployment - primarily the Latinos who work the farms. But they're just redneck farmers and Mexican immigrants. Yes, Jeanne - 41% unemployment. 41%, says who? http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/lf_geomaps.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #23 July 14, 2011 They do.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #24 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteThey do. Nothing there besides youtube and old news stories from 2009. I stand by the state of California's own unemployment figures of May 2011 for the counties used By Lawrocket. Better yet, the US department of labor June 2011 employment stats. http://www.bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm The 41% stats are from the farmers that survive on welfare from the government and want more cheap water. These 41% figures were extrapolated from the 2000 census and are fucking bullshit. once again provide real stats to back your claim. http://valleyecon.blogspot.com/2010/12/census-bureau-finds-mendota.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #25 July 14, 2011 California's a winner take all state in the electoral college. http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#takeall This may be part of their motivation as well.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
