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>If 80% would we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in. 80% didn't !!!

80% did - did what they thought was best for the people who elected them.

Alaska keeps asking for money for bridges, infrastructure etc even though they have one of the highest levels of natural resources per capita than anywhere in the US; indeed, they make so much money from oil that they send their citizens a check every year.

Why do Alaskan representatives do that? Because Alaskans voted for them, and Alaskans want more money. They want to better the lives of millions - but it's the millions that voted for them, not the millions of people in other states.

Should they act differently? Should they ignore what their constituents want, and instead try to impose their political will on the people they represent? I think most people would consider that a very poor representative indeed.

It's a classic dilemma. They can work to get a significant benefit for their constituents (i.e. more federal money for them) or they can work towards a slight benefit for their constituents (i.e. lower taxes, less debt in the future.) And unfortunately, no matter how wise the representative is, when you present it to the people they answer the same way every time - "show us the money."

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>If 80% would we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in. 80% didn't !!!

80% did - did what they thought was best for the people who elected them.

Alaska keeps asking for money for bridges, infrastructure etc even though they have one of the highest levels of natural resources per capita than anywhere in the US; indeed, they make so much money from oil that they send their citizens a check every year.

Why do Alaskan representatives do that? Because Alaskans voted for them, and Alaskans want more money. They want to better the lives of millions - but it's the millions that voted for them, not the millions of people in other states.

Should they act differently? Should they ignore what their constituents want, and instead try to impose their political will on the people they represent? I think most people would consider that a very poor representative indeed.

It's a classic dilemma. They can work to get a significant benefit for their constituents (i.e. more federal money for them) or they can work towards a slight benefit for their constituents (i.e. lower taxes, less debt in the future.) And unfortunately, no matter how wise the representative is, when you present it to the people they answer the same way every time - "show us the money."

Uhm.., Bill..,
You do realise that the oil refunds are a matter within the state legislature of Alaska and has nothing to do with the Congress of the United States?
I know these matters get confusing for those not so brilliant.

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>You do realise that the oil refunds are a matter within the state legislature of Alaska
>and has nothing to do with the Congress of the United States?

Right. I used the information about the refunds to demonstrate that they really do have plenty of money to build bridges and roads and whatnot if they chose to use their surplus in that manner. But still they ask for more money from the federal government - because their constituents demand it.

Surely if any state can be cut from the federal trough, it's Alaska. And surely if there is an ideologically favorable place to propose such a thing, it's Alaska, which is very solidly republican. But republicans want federal money just as much as democrats do - and they make that very clear to their elected representatives.

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>You do realise that the oil refunds are a matter within the state legislature of Alaska
>and has nothing to do with the Congress of the United States?

Right. I used the information about the refunds to demonstrate that they really do have plenty of money to build bridges and roads and whatnot if they chose to use their surplus in that manner. But still they ask for more money from the federal government - because their constituents demand it.

Surely if any state can be cut from the federal trough, it's Alaska. And surely if there is an ideologically favorable place to propose such a thing, it's Alaska, which is very solidly republican. But republicans want federal money just as much as democrats do - and they make that very clear to their elected representatives.

A suggestion. In the future why don't we refer to it as "our money" instead of "federal money".
And as far as "Republicans, Democrats" how about if we don't even recognize those name only distinctions?
Rich vs poor is a clear line, Dems vs Reps is kinda muddy(imo)

Further, every state should be and can be "cut from the trough".
The Federal government should be "cut from the trough " as well.
It's a matter of re-adopting The Constitution.

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>In the future why don't we refer to it as "our money" instead of "federal money".

OK. Although "our money" might mean "federal money" or "state money" or "local money" - it all comes from taxpayers one way or another. But we can call it "our federal money" if you like.

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OK. Although "our money" might mean "federal money" or "state money" or "local money" - it all comes from taxpayers one way or another. But we can call it "our federal money" if you like.

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President Obama said today he can't guarantee that Social Security checks will go out after Aug. 2, unless Congress agrees to increase the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling.

"This is not just a matter of Social Security checks," Obama also told CBS News. "These are veterans' checks; these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out."
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Yes America this is our leader in action.

This country is on the verge of economic ruin and all we get from him is political bullshit... He acts like the American people are too stupid to understand anything...
We do not understand that Obama has control of the purse strings.

Well, I for one understand that to borrow and spend on big banks , unions , auto companies, failed policies and SHOVEL READY JOBS which were (not so shovel ready) is failed policy. .

I understand that quantitative easing #1 and #2 robbed all of us as the value of the dollar shrinks .

I understand that if we don't change course our AAA bond rating will be lowered ...
and all this CLOWN does is play politics.

The part in red is really quite ironic. The way I see it this guy is looking at it ass backwards. From where I sit, regardless of whether the debt ceiling is raised or not (and I vote "or Not"), if the afformentioned checks fail to go out (in an obvious and pathetic attempt at coercion), then I can not guarantee any future "taxes" levied against my income will "go in." And yes, I am in a position to do that. As for not paying the Vets; that's one crowd I wouldn't piss off on purpose.

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."

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Sounds like a prescription for a coup d'etat.

I'm for it. If neither the left nor the right can dig their heads out of their collective asses then maybe a good old fashioned civil war will get their attention. More specifically, I think we need a carbon fucking copy of the French Revolution right here at home. For a shrewd capitalist there could be a fortune to be made in Guillotines.

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."

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Be nice to see both sides do that for once, wouldn't it?
Well, almost entertaining initially anyway....

Bingo! BUT...there's too much partisan bullshit to be spread for EITHER side to actually do their job. And too much special interest money to change it. If you can't repair an engine, you tear it down completely and rebuild it from the ground up. Our engine is beyond repair, and has been for years.

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."

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when corporations can spend as much as they want to buy the people we are supposedly electing.

You mean labor?

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,132]

>If neither the left nor the right can dig their heads out of their collective asses then
>maybe a good old fashioned civil war will get their attention.

A civil war to protest our horrible living conditions? The tyranny under which we live? Our lack of rights? The heinous crimes our government commits? The untouchable nobles, the corrupt bishop/rulers, the slavery of millions?

If you really think our current governmental mess is worth the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans and the destruction of parts of our country, and that that's better than, say, voting - you haven't been to any place in the world that actually has problems.

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>It's like you're telling the punchline to the wrong joke.

That's what she said.

I can only speculate that you're referring to the notorious "Obama Donkey Punch" that the public is being distracted with. He's not even subtle enough to just bite us on the collective ear while he rams it home.

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."

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Absent a debt limit increase, Obama has to choose what gets paid - since money is *STILL* flowing into the SocSec fund every week, there should be *plenty* of money for those checks.

Of course, sending out those checks wouldn't let him demagogue the Republicans over the issue...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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The fact is you have absolutely no idea where I have been Bill. That's the same type of assumptions that helped to create the mess we're in.

The situation and conditions which you set forth are just that; ones which you set forth. There seems to be a lot of cheering globally about the "Arab Spring", but revolution couldn't possibly be good for the US, is that it? We're above that, our current situation is only transient and when it's over it'll be thanks to the Messiah.

If you think that voting is going to fix this steaming shitpile we're in as a nation, pass the pipe over here man...I want a hit of what you're having.

BTW, the closest you came to anything of truth or substance was the reference to "The tyranny under which we live", and "The corrupt rulers". I expected more from you Bill. Preconception is unbecoming and lends nothing to your poor attempt at an argument. If you're going to pretend to read minds, you could always get a job at the circus...or maybe miss Cleo is hiring.

G. Jones

"I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around, the more I think it might not be a bad idea."

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BWWAAAKKKK, the parrots are at it again....

Yes, we see that you're back posting.

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Why is it that RWCs cannot and will not read and understand FACTUAL history?

When you going to provide some?

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You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how much the opinion is based in fantasy, not factual information.

Thus, we have YOUR posts.

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If you bothered to actually become educated as to the FACTS of the issues, your views might evolve.

We keep hoping for you to "come around", yes.

Funny how you don't have any argument with the FACTS I posted.

As has been demonstrated by scientific research, RWCs will NOT change their opinions, even when presented with FACTUAL information that completely debunks their opinion.

In other words, don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up, and that's that. RWCs will stay blissfully ignorant, spewing bullshit that has no basis in reality. No amount of accurate information can overcome the belief system. Exactly like small children. Facts and reason are beyond their comprehension.

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As has been demonstrated by scientific research, RWCs will NOT change their opinions, even when presented with FACTUAL information that completely debunks their opinion.

In other words, don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up, and that's that. RWCs will stay blissfully ignorant, spewing bullshit that has no basis in reality. No amount of accurate information can overcome the belief system. Exactly like small children. Facts and reason are beyond their comprehension

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Funny how you don't have any argument with the FACTS I posted.

Funny how you think they were facts in the first place.

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In other words, don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up, and that's that.

Yup, that's you.

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Libs will stay blissfully ignorant, spewing bullshit that has no basis in reality. No amount of accurate information can overcome the belief system. Exactly like small children. Facts and reason are beyond their comprehension.

Fixed that for you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Funny how you don't have any argument with the FACTS I posted.

Funny how you think they were facts in the first place.

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In other words, don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up, and that's that.

Yup, that's you.

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Libs will stay blissfully ignorant, spewing bullshit that has no basis in reality. No amount of accurate information can overcome the belief system. Exactly like small children. Facts and reason are beyond their comprehension.

Fixed that for you.

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Simmer down, nobody asked you for proof of anything yet.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Simmer down, nobody asked you for proof of anything yet.

Just trying to help out with a translation of your posts.....

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Simmer down, nobody asked you for proof of anything yet.

Just trying to help out with a translation of your posts.....

I'm sure you think so - how DARE someone ask you to prove a point, after all.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Funny how you don't have any argument with the FACTS I posted.

Funny how you think they were facts in the first place.

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In other words, don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up, and that's that.

Yup, that's you.

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Libs will stay blissfully ignorant, spewing bullshit that has no basis in reality. No amount of accurate information can overcome the belief system. Exactly like small children. Facts and reason are beyond their comprehension.

Fixed that for you.

Jeannie has it exacly correct. You have your fingers in your ears and are acting like a child.

The FACTS are posted are just that. I am well aware that the facts conflict with your OPINION.

The point that is escaping you is that your opinion is not based on factual information. Your opinion is based on RWC misinformation that is widely distributed. The misinformation is presented in a way that seems factual. If one does not have the intellectual curiosity and ability to independently verify the misinformation provided, one could come to believe things that are factually incorrect. Things like "Republicans shrink government, Democrats grow it", and "Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility, and Democtrats are not". Both statements are readily uttered by RWCs. Both statements can easily be proven to be factually incorrect by basic staistical analysis.

But all that intellectual mumbo jumbo is meaningless. The facts don't really matter to RWCs. Just their beliefs. Facts are annoying details that must be discarded when they conflict with the beliefs.

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"We learn by doing."

Maybe you should do more

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The FACTS are posted are just that. I am well aware that the facts conflict with your OPINION.

Except they're NOT fact, but your opinion.

Republicans controlled Congress from 95 - 07. During that time, the debt went from 4.8T to 8.7T (unadjusted numbers). That's roughly a 3.9T increase, or 885M / day.

Democrats took over in 07, debt is now 14.3T - roughly a 5T increase, or 3.4B / day.

146% the increase, in 38% of the time.

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Both statements can easily be proven to be factually incorrect by basic staistical analysis.

Debunked, above.

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But all that intellectual mumbo jumbo is meaningless. The facts don't really matter to libs. Just their beliefs. Facts are annoying details that must be discarded when they conflict with the beliefs.

And fixed that for you again.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I'll take William Shatner circa 1970 or Kirstie Alley circa 1985 as a compliment. Anything else and I'll spend the rest of this thread bitching about PAs.

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