Did anyone expect anything different from the people Rupert Hires???

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Of course, the usual suspects also fail to mention that it was investigators that did the tapping and not reporters - of course, that wouldn't fit with the whole "look what Rupert did" theme, now would it?

Hmm, yes, that's an interesting take on it. Just investigators, so obviously seperate and working independently.

Of course, one of the guys who have so far been convicted and jailed in connection with this mess was not a reporter, but an editor. And one of the guys currently under police bail was not a reporter, but the editor. What theme does that fit?

That more information has come out from when I made my first post.

No, that information was available when you made your first post.

Believe whatever you wish.

Believe? Oh you really are precious when you're wrong. It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of solid fact. The first post you made in this thread, likewise the stories containing information I referenced above. It's pretty easy to see which came first. Hell, Goodman was convicted years ago. Do you 'believe' that information wasn't available when you wrote your first post?

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As to why I mentioned it, because it was mentioned in the article I read.

Lots of things are mentioned in articles that aren't parroted here. You mentioned it because you thought it was important and relevant to the 'theme'. So now that you know the criminal culture was not limited to outside contractors but actually went all the way up to the editors, how does that affect your opinion of the theme?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Of course, the usual suspects also fail to mention that it was investigators that did the tapping and not reporters - of course, that wouldn't fit with the whole "look what Rupert did" theme, now would it?

Hmm, yes, that's an interesting take on it. Just investigators, so obviously seperate and working independently.

Of course, one of the guys who have so far been convicted and jailed in connection with this mess was not a reporter, but an editor. And one of the guys currently under police bail was not a reporter, but the editor. What theme does that fit?

That more information has come out from when I made my first post.

No, that information was available when you made your first post.

Believe whatever you wish.

Believe? Oh you really are precious when you're wrong. It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of solid fact. The first post you made in this thread, likewise the stories containing information I referenced above. It's pretty easy to see which came first. Hell, Goodman was convicted years ago. Do you 'believe' that information wasn't available when you wrote your first post?

I know what came up in the search I did, and I don't really give a flying fuck what else you think about it.

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As to why I mentioned it, because it was mentioned in the article I read.

Lots of things are mentioned in articles that aren't parroted here. You mentioned it because you thought it was important and relevant to the 'theme'. So now that you know the criminal culture was not limited to outside contractors but actually went all the way up to the editors, how does that affect your opinion of the theme?

It doesn't. Still waiting for that evidence on Rupert.

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Of course, the usual suspects also fail to mention that it was investigators that did the tapping and not reporters - of course, that wouldn't fit with the whole "look what Rupert did" theme, now would it?

Hmm, yes, that's an interesting take on it. Just investigators, so obviously seperate and working independently.

Of course, one of the guys who have so far been convicted and jailed in connection with this mess was not a reporter, but an editor. And one of the guys currently under police bail was not a reporter, but the editor. What theme does that fit?

That more information has come out from when I made my first post.

No, that information was available when you made your first post.

But seriously, you thought it was important to note that it was investigators, not reporters that were carrying out the hacks. Since it turns out that the criminal culture at the paper actually rises beyond mere reporters and goes right to the top, has that had any impact on your opinion? If not, why mention it in the first place?

Nope.. it would not make one iota of difference... He wants all the memo's and transcripts right on his litte desk in his little cubicle in Kosovo.. that is the only "proof" he needs. And even with that... he would still be defending good ole Rupert. One has to have their Sacred Cows!!!!


Now if this was the head of MSNBC who farted in public.. he would be ready to hang em.

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Nope.. it would not make one iota of difference... He wants all the memo's and transcripts right on his litte desk in his little cubicle in Kosovo.. that is the only "proof" he needs.

Yes, Jeanne...that's what "proof" means - not accusations.

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And even with that... he would still be defending good ole Rupert. One has to have their Sacred Cows!!!!

Post 7 debunks your lie.

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Nope.. it would not make one iota of difference... He wants all the memo's and transcripts right on his litte desk in his little cubicle in Kosovo.. that is the only "proof" he needs.

Yes, Jeanne...that's what "proof" means - not accusations.

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And even with that... he would still be defending good ole Rupert. One has to have their Sacred Cows!!!!

Post 7 debunks your lie.

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Sing it, little Jeannie Ingalls....then go find that proof once you're done.

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Those who hire hitmen to do their dirty work are just as culpable as the hitmen themselves.

Murdoch is a sleazebag, and he always has been.

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I know what came up in the search I did, and I don't really give a flying fuck what else you think about it.

You are unbelievable. It's not about what I think, it's about matters of solid, verifiable fact. I cannot believe you are even arguing this point. What's wrong with simply admitting that you weren't aware of it?

Arguing that articles dated before you made your first post in this thread did not actually exist before you made your first post in this thread is a genuinely baffling approach.

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It doesn't.

So why would it affect the theme if it was only investigators and not reporters?

Was that just meaningless babble that you were posting?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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It's OK, Mike, you can stop defending him now, even GOP congressmen are calling him a sleaze. He is now under investigation by the FBI, the UK govt. and the Australian govt. He and his son have been subpoenaed to testify before a parliamentary committee in the UK.

But it was funny watching you weaseling.

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You are unbelievable. It's not about what I think, it's about matters of solid, verifiable fact. I cannot believe you are even arguing this point. What's wrong with simply admitting that you weren't aware of it?

I did that, above - I didn't see that information in the couple of articles I read. YOU are the one that keeps belaboring the point.

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Arguing that articles dated before you made your first post in this thread did not actually exist before you made your first post in this thread is a genuinely baffling approach.

Make the ASSumption that I read every single article that you were able to find is equally as baffling.

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It doesn't.

So why would it affect the theme if it was only investigators and not reporters?

Coulson's wiki page shows him as a reporter and an editor for the Royals. How big was the "Royals" department and were they all doing it or just Coulson?

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It's OK, Mike, you can stop defending him now, even GOP congressmen are calling him a sleaze.

I refer YOU to Post #7 as well.

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He is now under investigation by the FBI, the UK govt. and the Australian govt. He and his son have been subpoenaed to testify before a parliamentary committee in the UK.

Maybe they can find the evidence connecting him to the tapping that you evidently couldn't be bothered to.

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I did that, above - I didn't see that information in the couple of articles I read. YOU are the one that keeps belaboring the point.

No - I don't care that you weren't aware of it, that's not important and I had no intention of making a point of it. What I am making a point of is the fact that you were arguing that the reason you were unaware of it is that the information didn't exist.

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Make the ASSumption that I read every single article that you were able to find is equally as baffling.

I have not made that assumption. Drop the mind reading bullshit for once, you're not psychic.

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Coulson's wiki page shows him as a reporter and an editor for the Royals. How big was the "Royals" department and were they all doing it or just Coulson?

Actually Goodman's wiki page shows him as royal editor - Coulson was editor in chief of the entire paper (how big was that 'department'). As for the Royals department - who knows? Who cares? Fact is, his job title was editor and I'm pretty sure they don't give those out free with candy.

So again, why would it affect the theme if it was just investigators and not reporters?

Or was that just meaningless babble?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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She has been replaced by Tom Mockridge, who was in charge of News Corporation's Italian broadcasting arm.

Rebekah Brooks has resigned and been replaced by Tom Mockridge. Nice bring in the Mafia

By the Way Mike, I think Murdoch's interview with the Wall Street Journal is very telling.

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In comments published on the News Corp.-owned Wall Street Journal's website, the 80-year-old executive said he and others in management had handled the crisis "extremely well in every way possible" with just a few "minor mistakes."

I think he simply doesn't "get" how badly his organisation has behaved. The only possible reaction for a CEO with true integrity would be to state that there had been a failure in management, and that the current processes and procedures that are in place, are inadequate and a complete over-all was in process. His reaction is very telling of someone who still believes in getting the story "at any cost". It is the reaction of a person who is sorry for getting caught but not for what they have done.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Make the ASSumption that I read every single article that you were able to find is equally as baffling.

I have not made that assumption. Drop the mind reading bullshit for once, you're not psychic.

Since you keep talking about all the information that I evidently supposed to know about, you first.

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So again, why would it affect the theme if it was just investigators and not reporters?

Or was that just meaningless babble?

No, it was showing that 1) it was reported that investigators were the ones doing the tapping and not the reporter(s), and 2) that it seemed to be one or two individuals and not the entire paper/corporation, as SOME keep trying to infer.

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Since you keep talking about all the information that I evidently supposed to know about, you first.

Again please, in english?

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No, it was showing that 1) it was reported that investigators were the ones doing the tapping and not the reporter(s), and 2) that it seemed to be one or two individuals and not the entire paper/corporation, as SOME keep trying to infer.

Ok, but since it strongly apears that's 100% backwards, and the entire paper was immersed in a criminal culture of hacking and bribery that was condoned, at the very least, from the level of editor on down, how does that affect the theme?

How about the fact that in 2007 the NOTW reported that an internal investigation into Goodman's (again, an editor, not just a reporter and certainly not just a hired investigator) hacking apparently found no evidence that anyone else knew of Goodmans hacking or that it was anything but an isolated action by one person? How does that gel with what is emerging now about the sheer scale of the NOTW's criminal activities? Surprisingly incompetent, as investigations go, don't you think?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Ok, but since it strongly apears that's 100% backwards, and the entire paper was immersed in a criminal culture of hacking and bribery that was condoned, at the very least, from the level of editor on down, how does that affect the theme?

Were there more arrests of newspaper staff, then? Hadn't seen anything about it.

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Were there more arrests of newspaper staff, then?

Yes.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Were there more arrests of newspaper staff, then?

Yes.

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Holy shit... hope they have room at the Yard for all of them.

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Were there more arrests of newspaper staff, then?

Yes.

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Holy shit... hope they have room at the Yard for all of them.

Let's see, we already know about Andy Coulson (editor), Clive Goodman (royal editor) and Glenn Mulcaire (Investigator).

Then there's Neville Thurbeck (chief reporter) and Ian Edmondson (assistant editor), there's Neil Wallis (deputy editor under Coulson) and there's James Weatherup (news editor). And there have been more arrests than that, and the investigation is still ongoing. Your Google-fu is weak.

Now lets revisit that comment of yours about 'investigators not reporters'. When you thought it was that way round you said it affected the theme. Now you know that there's a lot of culpability above the level of reporters rather than below, how does that affect the theme?

Oh, and you know that News International internal investigation I mentioned that the NOTW claimed showed Goodman acting alone? Yeah, turns out they lied about that. What a shock.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Your Google-fu is weak.

I used the most recent news article from YOUR link.

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Now lets revisit that comment of yours about 'investigators not reporters'. When you thought it was that way round you said it affected the theme. Now you know that there's a lot of culpability above the level of reporters rather than below, how does that affect the theme?

Oh, and you know that News International internal investigation I mentioned that the NOTW claimed showed Goodman acting alone? Yeah, turns out they lied about that. What a shock.

Holy shit.... seven? Better put in for an emergency expansion of the Yard.

They find that email from Rupert, yet?

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I used the most recent news article from YOUR link.

And I used the rest of them. All of the information in my last post could be gained from the first page of search results I gave you. Don't blame me if YOU are too fucking lazy to read what's put in front of you.

Come to think of it, if you're too lazy to have done even the most cursory amount of research into the subject, why are you even attempting to debate it? God, first of all you try to pretend that information you weren't aware of didn't exist, this time it's because I didn't present you with a google search where everything was neatly summarised in the first search result... has there ever been a time when your ignorance was your own fault or is it always someone else's duty to spoon feed you information?

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Holy shit.... seven? Better put in for an emergency expansion of the Yard.

It's been reported (again, links I gave you) that there are over 40 detectives currently working on the case. Fair to say they're taking it seriously.

And again, look at the positions of the people arrested. When you thought it was only investigators implicated you said it was relevant to the theme, so what about now?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Find that email from Rupert yet?

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www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OHEJ5O0.htm

Brooks, one of Rupert's hires, said to be "like family", arrested.

Edit to add: Another of Murdoch's chief executives, Wall Street Journal publisher Les Hinton, also had to resign Friday after more than 50 years with Murdoch: AP

Beginning to see a pattern here?

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Beginning to see a pattern here?

Not at all. I'm qute sure that both former editors and all other management staff so far arrested were all working independently of each other.

If SOME try to infer that there was some kind of culture of corruption at the company then that obviously just shows their bias.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Looks like nobody's buying Murdoch's ever-changing story:


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James Murdoch to Face Questions On Payments
By Robert Hutton and Alex Morales
Jul 18, 2011 5:07 PM PT

James Murdoch, deputy chief operating officer of News Corp. (NWSA), will be asked by British lawmakers whether settlements he authorized to victims of phone- hacking by a Sunday tabloid were part of a cover-up.

Murdoch, 38, faces questions over his approval of at least 2 million pounds ($3.2 million) to settle privacy cases filed by hacking victims and whether they were designed to conceal wrongdoing at the News of the World tabloid News Corp. shut down on July 10. He and his 80-year-old father, Rupert, will give testimony to the Culture Committee at 2:30 p.m. in London today.

Some of those payments, which Murdoch said on July 7 he regretted approving, were conditional on non-disclosure agreements. In the same statement, Murdoch said his company’s executives had misled Parliament. The policeman in charge of the original investigation accused News International, the U.K. publishing unit of News Corp., of “deliberately trying to thwart” him. Ten people have been arrested in a new probe.

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News Corp. is considering elevating Chief Operating Officer Chase Carey to chief executive officer, succeeding Rupert Murdoch, people with knowledge of the situation said. A decision depends on Murdoch’s performance before Parliament, said the people, who weren’t authorized to speak publicly. Murdoch would remain chairman, the people said. Executives are concerned Murdoch won’t do well answering questions, two people said.

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Until January, News International executives stuck to the line that phone-hacking at the News of the World had been the work of a single “rogue reporter,” in the words of Andy Coulson, who resigned as editor of the paper following Goodman’s conviction. Coulson went on to work for U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron as director of communications, resigning in January. He was arrested July 8.

In private, the company was settling lawsuits. First it paid undisclosed amounts to Goodman and a private investigator, Glenn Mulcaire, who was jailed alongside him for phone-hacking. Goodman had been fired when he was sent to prison and sued for unfair dismissal. Mulcaire, who had been on a contract for the paper, did likewise. Les Hinton, then executive chairman of News International, told the Culture Committee in September 2009 he approved the payments. Hinton resigned from News Corp. July 15.
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