ryoder 1,590 #1 June 28, 2011 http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2174896.shtml Who knew it was legal to operate a video camera in your own front yard?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 June 28, 2011 Evidently not the local police!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #3 June 28, 2011 Quote The statement continues, "We believe that the incident that led to Ms. Good's arrest and the subsequent ticketing for parking violations of vehicles belonging to members of an organization associated with Ms. Good raise issues with respect to the conduct of Rochester Police Officers that require an internal review. A review into both matters has been initiated." Classier and classier!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 June 28, 2011 Quote Quote The statement continues, "We believe that the incident that led to Ms. Good's arrest and the subsequent ticketing for parking violations of vehicles belonging to members of an organization associated with Ms. Good raise issues with respect to the conduct of Rochester Police Officers that require an internal review. A review into both matters has been initiated." Classier and classier! A police force that does not have the support of the people that it is tasked to "serve and Protect" has failed . I do not understand why so many departments do not seek to eliminate the bad apples that cause them to lose the respect of people. All that happens when things like this happen is to make their jobs 10 times harder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 June 28, 2011 Quote http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2174896.shtml Who knew it was legal to operate a video camera in your own front yard? I'm so glad that this case was dismissed. Maybe I'm in the minority, but while at work I assume that I am on video. Then again, I video literally every contact I have with a member of the public. If I'm away from my motorcycle or patrol car, I run a digital audio recorder I wear on my belt. It protects me, it protects the public and it prevents misinformation from poisoning our public relations.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #6 June 28, 2011 Yes, it's likely it only cost her $2500 in legal fees to defend herself. So the message is "don't f*ck with the police unless you have a spare $2500 lying around". I hope she get's re-imbursed for her legal fees and her time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #7 June 28, 2011 Quote Quote http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2174896.shtml Who knew it was legal to operate a video camera in your own front yard? I'm so glad that this case was dismissed. Maybe I'm in the minority, but while at work I assume that I am on video. Then again, I video literally every contact I have with a member of the public. If I'm away from my motorcycle or patrol car, I run a digital audio recorder I wear on my belt. It protects me, it protects the public and it prevents misinformation from poisoning our public relations. Not too long before my wife retired as a DA's investigator, she was helping local authorities work a case on a kid who lived across the street from us. My wife and I started photographing and videoing every vehicle and visitor to that kid's house. 99% of them were gang-bangers. I guess, word got out and the number of visitors diminished. In the end, the photos did help to get the kid (19yrs. old) 5yrs. hard-time along with several of the 'visitors' in the pictures. Several others got probation. I'd stand in the front yard and take video. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 June 28, 2011 Quote I'm so glad that this case was dismissed. Maybe I'm in the minority, but while at work I assume that I am on video. Then again, I video literally every contact I have with a member of the public. If I'm away from my motorcycle or patrol car, I run a digital audio recorder I wear on my belt. It protects me, it protects the public and it prevents misinformation from poisoning our public relations. I was reading a video-camera forum once, looking over discussions of a small flash memory model. One of the posters was a motorcycle cop who had mounted one on his helmet. His reasoning was the same as you just expressed."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #9 June 28, 2011 Quote I was reading a video-camera forum once, looking over discussions of a small flash memory model. One of the posters was a motorcycle cop who had mounted one on his helmet. His reasoning was the same as you just expressed. The Bonehead "Enforcer" for LEOs Will they be required to have 200 arrests before they can wear one?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 June 28, 2011 Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 June 28, 2011 QuoteQuote I'm so glad that this case was dismissed. Maybe I'm in the minority, but while at work I assume that I am on video. Then again, I video literally every contact I have with a member of the public. If I'm away from my motorcycle or patrol car, I run a digital audio recorder I wear on my belt. It protects me, it protects the public and it prevents misinformation from poisoning our public relations. I was reading a video-camera forum once, looking over discussions of a small flash memory model. One of the posters was a motorcycle cop who had mounted one on his helmet. His reasoning was the same as you just expressed. What is great is that technology has progressed since then. A wide angle lens is on the bike, controlled with a mounted DVR system and a wireless body mic is on my bat-belt. It all transfers wirelessly from the bike when I get close enough to the office. I never have to touch it and I actually have no access to any of it except to view it. Which is great, since it removes any accusation of tampering.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #12 June 28, 2011 Quote A police force that does not have the support of the people that it is tasked to "serve and Protect" has failed . I do not understand why so many departments do not seek to eliminate the bad apples that cause them to lose the respect of people. All that happens when things like this happen is to make their jobs 10 times harder Agreed."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #13 June 28, 2011 Quote Quote A police force that does not have the support of the people that it is tasked to "serve and Protect" has failed . I do not understand why so many departments do not seek to eliminate the bad apples that cause them to lose the respect of people. All that happens when things like this happen is to make their jobs 10 times harder Agreed. You seriously don't know? Unions. Same reason we can't get rid of bad teachers in schools. Even though some people are able to get degrees in law enforcement and make through a police academy, it doesn't mean they have the temperament or the ability to handle some stressful situations. Some cops really need to just find another line of work. However, they literally have to kill the wrong person to be forced out of their job. Depending on the lawyer the union hires, sometimes that isn't even enough...."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #14 June 28, 2011 QuoteEven though some people are able to get degrees in law enforcement and make through a police academy, it doesn't mean they have the temperament or the ability to handle some stressful situations. Some cops really need to just find another line of work. However, they literally have to kill the wrong person to be forced out of their job. Depending on the lawyer the union hires, sometimes that isn't even enough.... It really depends on the department. A blanket statement like this one is wrong for many departments, although I'm sure it is right for some as well.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #15 June 28, 2011 Quote Quote http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2174896.shtml Who knew it was legal to operate a video camera in your own front yard? I'm so glad that this case was dismissed. Maybe I'm in the minority, but while at work I assume that I am on video. Then again, I video literally every contact I have with a member of the public. If I'm away from my motorcycle or patrol car, I run a digital audio recorder I wear on my belt. It protects me, it protects the public and it prevents misinformation from poisoning our public relations. Very cool. Did the PD pay for it, or did you pay for it yourself?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 June 28, 2011 Quote Quote Quote http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2174896.shtml Who knew it was legal to operate a video camera in your own front yard? I'm so glad that this case was dismissed. Maybe I'm in the minority, but while at work I assume that I am on video. Then again, I video literally every contact I have with a member of the public. If I'm away from my motorcycle or patrol car, I run a digital audio recorder I wear on my belt. It protects me, it protects the public and it prevents misinformation from poisoning our public relations. Very cool. Did the PD pay for it, or did you pay for it yourself? PD. Then again, they paid for the motorcycle as well. Some agencies give officers a stipend for the bike and the officer has to provide all that gear. Thankfully mine just provides all the gear I need in this regard.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #17 June 29, 2011 i live in a suburb just north of The City of Rochester... the police in this City have ONE helluva a P I T A job to do...... parts of the city are a mess.. with open air drug sales, Street corner loitering,,,vandalism and petty crime is abundant. Some People who have No licenses No insurance, and Not much to contibute to society are running around,,,in a "borrowed car" 'freelancing" and selling /doing whatever they feel they can... to get by. The Cops here are well trained, have seen it all and are basically trying to deal with a citizenship which has decided it will be Un cooperative whenever possible. We had a teenager Shoot a Cop IN the HEAd... last year... with a small caliber rifle FROm " a house down the block".. when canvassed.. " Nobody Knew ANYthing, SAW ANYthing, HEard anything .... The cop survived after immediate surgery, but will NEVER be right... ( Think Gabrielle Gifford,, only without the national media attention THAT case has recieved..) the kid,,, a 16 year old, who after MAny issues at school,, was on "in Home suspension" and had access to weapons... He WAS eventually discovered... tried and found guilty.... The Police are understandably On edge, whenever they make a stop ANywhere in the city... This woman DOES have the "right " to stand in her yard with a video camera.. but in my opinion also has The "responsibility" to comply with the request made by the Cop.. The Chief of Police, indicated that this wasn't just a routine traffic stop...( the woman had decided herself that it was a "simple matter " of racial profiling,,, because the driver was black....) In fact, the driver was KNOWN to police, to have gang affiliations, past problems, and had two other 'friends' in the car.. It was night time. The cops were following proper protocol. The woman could be applauded for being a Diligent Citizen , but SHE is ALSO known to police as " a community activist"... ( not just some Random resident...) While her intentions may have been innocent and seemingly benign.. once the Police asked her to desist... and she refused.... then i guess "technically" by the book.. that became "Obstruction of Justice".... I was impressed with the professionalism and restraint used by the Officer(s).... after much to do,,,, the case was thrown out..... However, Dismissal,,,,, does not mean Innocent... while i applaud a persons desire to be Active in the community, and to try to foster change.... She may have been more effective,,,, by choosing some other means to do it....Must be there was "Nuthin' Good , on TV that night".....jimmy rochester Ny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #18 June 29, 2011 Sorry, but passively recording what is happening is not "Obstruction of Justice". In fact, had the arrestee injured/killed a cop, (or bystander), in that incident, the woman's video recording could have been valuable evidence for the prosecution."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #19 June 29, 2011 Quotebut in my opinion also has The "responsibility" to comply with the request made by the Cop.. Only if its a lawful request. This was absolutely not a lawful request. The police have to obey the law too. What kind of example do they send to the public when they ignore (or are ignorant of) the law they are tasked with enforcing?__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 June 29, 2011 QuoteThe police have to obey the law too. What kind of example do they send to the public when they ignore (or are ignorant of) the law they are tasked with enforcing? I guess the same example our congress critters make when they break (also written as "brake" in some of the forums here) the laws they write. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #21 June 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe police have to obey the law too. What kind of example do they send to the public when they ignore (or are ignorant of) the law they are tasked with enforcing? I guess the same example our congress critters make when they break (also written as "brake" in some of the forums here) the laws they write. Oh no that could never happen http://www.republicanoffenders.com/DUI.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #22 June 29, 2011 QuoteThe Police are understandably On edge, whenever they make a stop ANywhere in the city... Seems they felt secure enough to split their attentions between the traffic stop and the harmless woman with a camera. Quoten fact, the driver was KNOWN to police, to have gang affiliations, past problems, and had two other 'friends' in the car.. It was night time. The cops were following proper protocol. Then they shouldn't have a problem being video-taped. As it is, they've managed to create a shitstorm for themselves out of nothing. QuoteThe woman could be applauded for being a Diligent Citizen , but SHE is ALSO known to police as " a community activist"... Take note, people - if you try and stand up for the rights of citizens in your community you will become 'known to the police'. Quoteonce the Police asked her to desist... and she refused.... then i guess "technically" by the book.. that became "Obstruction of Justice".... The guys who work by the book disagree with you. "the District Attorney's office says based on a review of the evidence, there was no legal basis to go forward." Newsflash: The police do not get to make up laws on the spot. A policeman cannot make you do anything he wants, whenever he wants just because he is a policeman. QuoteI was impressed with the professionalism and restraint used by the Officer(s).... Why? Because he didn't taze her for refusing to be ordered off her own property? Quotethe police in this City have ONE helluva a P I T A job to do...... parts of the city are a mess.. with open air drug sales, Street corner loitering,,,vandalism and petty crime is abundant. Some People who have No licenses No insurance, Y'know what, if it's as bad as you say then it's amazing that these cops and their colleagues could find the time to carry out a petty campaign of retribution by searching out and ticketing her and her colleagues cars. I'm sure that was really useful police work.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #23 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote The police have to obey the law too. What kind of example do they send to the public when they ignore (or are ignorant of) the law they are tasked with enforcing? I guess the same example our congress critters make when they break (also written as "brake" in some of the forums here) the laws they write. Oh no that could never happen http://www.republicanoffenders.com/DUI.html If you think for one minute that homosexuality or alcoholism is a partisan issue , then you are even dumber than you sound... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote The police have to obey the law too. What kind of example do they send to the public when they ignore (or are ignorant of) the law they are tasked with enforcing? I guess the same example our congress critters make when they break (also written as "brake" in some of the forums here) the laws they write. Oh no that could never happen http://www.republicanoffenders.com/DUI.html If you think for one minute that homosexuality or alcoholism is a partisan issue , then you are even dumber than you sound... Which party is it again.. that blithers incessantly... that whole Family Values thing on its sleeve and keeps whorin.. and getting caught with that wide stance thing.. and rallys the fringe right troops in every election with anti gay anything and everything??? You must be even more clueless than your posting sounds.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #25 June 30, 2011 Quote ...once the Police asked her to desist... and she refused.... then i guess "technically" by the book.. that became "Obstruction of Justice".... Well, Jimmy, therein lies one of the major problems. If you don't do what a cop tells you to do, regardless of "legality", they can always fall back on that simple Catch-All. Doesn't matter if the woman was a known communist, a hooker or anything else. They overstepped their bounds, as so often happens, and went to the Catch-All. What's amazing to me is that cops wonder why it is that people don't respect them like cops expect them to. Simply freakin' to not understand why. Personally, I think they do understand and it's just that they are unwilling to admit it then be held responsible for doing something about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah...there's good cops and there's bad cops. There's also the unions and that ever-present Thin Blue Line.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
