Crack down on Employers who Hire Illegals

[Amazon 7]

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Nothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that....

Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that

[mnealtx 0]

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Nothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that....

Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that

So, still nothing....imagine that.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[Amazon 7]

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Nothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that....

Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that

So, still nothing....imagine that.

You first... since you support far more crooks and liars than I EVER will in my life.

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Nothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that....

Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that

So, still nothing....imagine that.

You first... since you support far more crooks and liars than I EVER will in my life.

ibid

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[DanG 1]

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That said, evidently I need to spell it out for you.

Evidently, since I asked you repeatedly. You could have saved considerable bandwidth by just answering the question the first time.

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Anyone in the country illegally should be deported and have to re-enter using the existing LEGAL system.

Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes.

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Based on your prior argument, you evidently feel nothing should be done to those who are caught from the increased scrutiny of employers - after all, they're "contributing to the country economically".

Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring.

- Dan G

[Amazon 7]

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Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring.

It's Ok Dan..... its all Mikee's got.. and has had for YEEEEEEAAAARRRROOONNNS

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Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes.

So which ones are these? The ones "taking good jobs away from American people" or the ones "contributing to the country economically" that you mention in post 24?

That's *still* supporting non-enforcement for the *right* folks, btw.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring.

It's Ok Dan..... its all Mikee's I've got.. and has had for YEEEEEEAAAARRRROOONNNS

Fixed that for you - let us know when you actually EVER come up with a point.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kelpdiver 2]

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Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes.

isn't that better than exploiting illegals?

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Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes.

isn't that better than exploiting illegals?

Amazing how complicit people can be when it comes to saving themselves money isn't it? This was the same mentality that allowed human slavery to exist.

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Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes.

isn't that better than exploiting illegals?

Amazing how complicit people can be when it comes to saving themselves money isn't it? This was the same mentality that allowed human slavery to exist.

That would be one fix.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[DanG 1]

So your argument it to keep them out in order to save them? Are you trying to put the white hat on the anti-immigration people who would deport everyone and close the borders completely? It's not that simple.

- Dan G

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Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes.

isn't that better than exploiting illegals?

Amazing how complicit people can be when it comes to saving themselves money isn't it? This was the same mentality that allowed human slavery to exist.

That would be one fix.

Yep, might be a good solution to our economic woes. if they want to come here so bad, let's start incursions into Mexico and bring em back here to work picking our berriies and fixing our homes.

[DanG 1]

So close, almost got the Godwin in. You can do it!

- Dan G

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>if they want to come here so bad, let's start incursions into Mexico and bring em back
>here to work picking our berriies and fixing our homes.

We've got that right now, and we didn't need any incursions to do it! Looks like you got your wish.

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So close, almost got the Godwin in. You can do it!

Right up to the edge, eh?

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>if they want to come here so bad, let's start incursions into Mexico and bring em back
>here to work picking our berriies and fixing our homes.

We've got that right now, and we didn't need any incursions to do it! Looks like you got your wish.

Heck, let's stop fooling around with all this human rights BS. Americans need cheap berries and home repair. We are already forcing them to live 30 people in a house and hide in the shadows.

OK, let's give them free healthcare. I'll throw that in to make it more palatable. And let's just call them indentured servants instead slaves. We can then offer the whole package as a pathway to citizenship but we'll never define the parameters. Bonus points if they join the military.

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So your argument it to keep them out in order to save them? Are you trying to put the white hat on the anti-immigration people who would deport everyone and close the borders completely? It's not that simple.

I reject a fear of $5 tomatoes. If that's the consequence of paying minimum wage to crop pickers, then shouldn't we be doing that? What was Cesar Chavez organizing the workers for?

We do have minimum wage laws, in addition to laws about citizenship. Let's start following all of them. And let's stop pretending that all of these are jobs Americans won't do. It's hard to say that when they're not even available, taken up by day laborers at illegal wages.

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Anyone in the country illegally should be deported and have to re-enter using the existing LEGAL system.

Is that the same as everyone in the country illegally should be deported? Is it practical or economically feasible for us to try to deport every.single.illegal.alien?

If not, which ones should we start with, and which ones should we not bother with? Just deporting them as we find them is kind of like trying to count Chinese one at a time.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Anyone in the country illegally should be deported and have to re-enter using the existing LEGAL system.

Is that the same as everyone in the country illegally should be deported? Is it practical or economically feasible for us to try to deport every.single.illegal.alien?

If not, which ones should we start with, and which ones should we not bother with? Just deporting them as we find them is kind of like trying to count Chinese one at a time.

Wendy P.

It's not possible to catch every speeding driver either. Does that mean we shouldn't even try? We need to start somewhere and the fact we show we are serious about it will serve as a deterrent just as speeding tickets do.

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I like your thinking.


Chuck

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Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring.

It's Ok Dan..... its all Mikee's got.. and has had for YEEEEEEAAAARRRROOONNNS

Fixed that for you - let us know when you actually EVER come up with a point.

I don't know.... do you guys ever get any point that was not postulated by your failed flawed heros??? I think you are pretty deaf for anything else.. with the closed eyes.. fingers in the ears going NANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANA

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>I reject a fear of $5 tomatoes. If that's the consequence of paying minimum wage to
>crop pickers, then shouldn't we be doing that? What was Cesar Chavez organizing the
>workers for?

That's not the result. The result is $4 per tomato with the same workers picking tomatoes - just in Mexico instead of the US.

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>I reject a fear of $5 tomatoes. If that's the consequence of paying minimum wage to
>crop pickers, then shouldn't we be doing that? What was Cesar Chavez organizing the
>workers for?

That's not the result. The result is $4 per tomato with the same workers picking tomatoes - just in Mexico instead of the US.

so Dan is making up false boogeymen, you say?

[wmw999 2,588]

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It's not possible to catch every speeding driver either. Does that mean we shouldn't even try?

When was the last time you heard of someone getting a ticket for going less than 5 mph over the speed limit, when the speed limit was more than 40 mph and there weren't extenuating circumstances?

We need to allow our law enforcers to use their judgment, and make sure that we get law enforcers who are capable of exercising good judgment.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)