Amazon 7 #76 June 22, 2011 QuoteNothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that.... Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #77 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteNothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that.... Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that So, still nothing....imagine that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #78 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteNothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that.... Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that So, still nothing....imagine that. You first... since you support far more crooks and liars than I EVER will in my life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #79 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNothing on Clinton, Jeanne? Imagine that.... Nothing to say about your family values legion of the convicted hypocrites.. in THIS CENTURY.... imagine that So, still nothing....imagine that. You first... since you support far more crooks and liars than I EVER will in my life. ibidMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #80 June 22, 2011 QuoteThat said, evidently I need to spell it out for you. Evidently, since I asked you repeatedly. You could have saved considerable bandwidth by just answering the question the first time. QuoteAnyone in the country illegally should be deported and have to re-enter using the existing LEGAL system. Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes. QuoteBased on your prior argument, you evidently feel nothing should be done to those who are caught from the increased scrutiny of employers - after all, they're "contributing to the country economically". Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #81 June 22, 2011 Quote Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring. It's Ok Dan..... its all Mikee's got.. and has had for YEEEEEEAAAARRRROOONNNS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 June 22, 2011 QuoteOkay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes. So which ones are these? The ones "taking good jobs away from American people" or the ones "contributing to the country economically" that you mention in post 24? That's *still* supporting non-enforcement for the *right* folks, btw.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #83 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring. It's Ok Dan..... its all Mikee's I've got.. and has had for YEEEEEEAAAARRRROOONNNS Fixed that for you - let us know when you actually EVER come up with a point.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #84 June 22, 2011 Quote Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes. isn't that better than exploiting illegals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #85 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes. isn't that better than exploiting illegals? Amazing how complicit people can be when it comes to saving themselves money isn't it? This was the same mentality that allowed human slavery to exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #86 June 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes. isn't that better than exploiting illegals? Amazing how complicit people can be when it comes to saving themselves money isn't it? This was the same mentality that allowed human slavery to exist. That would be one fix. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #87 June 22, 2011 So your argument it to keep them out in order to save them? Are you trying to put the white hat on the anti-immigration people who would deport everyone and close the borders completely? It's not that simple. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #88 June 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Okay, and since there is essentially NO legal way for unskilled laborers or children to enter the country, we better be prepared for $5 tomatoes. isn't that better than exploiting illegals? Amazing how complicit people can be when it comes to saving themselves money isn't it? This was the same mentality that allowed human slavery to exist. That would be one fix. Yep, might be a good solution to our economic woes. if they want to come here so bad, let's start incursions into Mexico and bring em back here to work picking our berriies and fixing our homes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #89 June 22, 2011 So close, almost got the Godwin in. You can do it! - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #90 June 22, 2011 >if they want to come here so bad, let's start incursions into Mexico and bring em back >here to work picking our berriies and fixing our homes. We've got that right now, and we didn't need any incursions to do it! Looks like you got your wish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #91 June 22, 2011 Quote So close, almost got the Godwin in. You can do it! Right up to the edge, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #92 June 22, 2011 Quote >if they want to come here so bad, let's start incursions into Mexico and bring em back >here to work picking our berriies and fixing our homes. We've got that right now, and we didn't need any incursions to do it! Looks like you got your wish. Heck, let's stop fooling around with all this human rights BS. Americans need cheap berries and home repair. We are already forcing them to live 30 people in a house and hide in the shadows. OK, let's give them free healthcare. I'll throw that in to make it more palatable. And let's just call them indentured servants instead slaves. We can then offer the whole package as a pathway to citizenship but we'll never define the parameters. Bonus points if they join the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #93 June 22, 2011 QuoteSo your argument it to keep them out in order to save them? Are you trying to put the white hat on the anti-immigration people who would deport everyone and close the borders completely? It's not that simple. I reject a fear of $5 tomatoes. If that's the consequence of paying minimum wage to crop pickers, then shouldn't we be doing that? What was Cesar Chavez organizing the workers for? We do have minimum wage laws, in addition to laws about citizenship. Let's start following all of them. And let's stop pretending that all of these are jobs Americans won't do. It's hard to say that when they're not even available, taken up by day laborers at illegal wages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #94 June 22, 2011 QuoteAnyone in the country illegally should be deported and have to re-enter using the existing LEGAL system.Is that the same as everyone in the country illegally should be deported? Is it practical or economically feasible for us to try to deport every.single.illegal.alien? If not, which ones should we start with, and which ones should we not bother with? Just deporting them as we find them is kind of like trying to count Chinese one at a time. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #95 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnyone in the country illegally should be deported and have to re-enter using the existing LEGAL system.Is that the same as everyone in the country illegally should be deported? Is it practical or economically feasible for us to try to deport every.single.illegal.alien? If not, which ones should we start with, and which ones should we not bother with? Just deporting them as we find them is kind of like trying to count Chinese one at a time. Wendy P. It's not possible to catch every speeding driver either. Does that mean we shouldn't even try? We need to start somewhere and the fact we show we are serious about it will serve as a deterrent just as speeding tickets do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #96 June 22, 2011 I like your thinking. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #97 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Now you're being intentionally obtuse. It's boring. It's Ok Dan..... its all Mikee's got.. and has had for YEEEEEEAAAARRRROOONNNS Fixed that for you - let us know when you actually EVER come up with a point. I don't know.... do you guys ever get any point that was not postulated by your failed flawed heros??? I think you are pretty deaf for anything else.. with the closed eyes.. fingers in the ears going NANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #98 June 23, 2011 >I reject a fear of $5 tomatoes. If that's the consequence of paying minimum wage to >crop pickers, then shouldn't we be doing that? What was Cesar Chavez organizing the >workers for? That's not the result. The result is $4 per tomato with the same workers picking tomatoes - just in Mexico instead of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #99 June 23, 2011 Quote>I reject a fear of $5 tomatoes. If that's the consequence of paying minimum wage to >crop pickers, then shouldn't we be doing that? What was Cesar Chavez organizing the >workers for? That's not the result. The result is $4 per tomato with the same workers picking tomatoes - just in Mexico instead of the US. so Dan is making up false boogeymen, you say? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #100 June 23, 2011 QuoteIt's not possible to catch every speeding driver either. Does that mean we shouldn't even try?When was the last time you heard of someone getting a ticket for going less than 5 mph over the speed limit, when the speed limit was more than 40 mph and there weren't extenuating circumstances? We need to allow our law enforcers to use their judgment, and make sure that we get law enforcers who are capable of exercising good judgment. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites