Gravitymaster 0 #26 June 21, 2011 QuoteThey're going after the ones taking good jobs from American workers and are being more lenient to the ones contributing to the country either economically or through military service. What's wrong with that? Huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #27 June 21, 2011 Quote Quote They're going after the ones taking good jobs from American workers and are being more lenient to the ones contributing to the country either economically or through military service. What's wrong with that? Other than the fact that they're *still* illegals? I'm generally against selective enforcement of our laws. I thought most people were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #28 June 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteThey're going after the ones taking good jobs from American workers and are being more lenient to the ones contributing to the country either economically or through military service. What's wrong with that? Other than the fact that they're *still* illegals? I don't understand why so many people have a problem with that concept!? Illegal is illegal, no matter how you slice it. Too many, skirt and skoff our immigration laws and that's a problem! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #29 June 21, 2011 Of course, illegal is illegal, but it sounds like you are arguing for a zero tolerance policy. Usually, zero tolerance is a sign of a lack of rationality. Zero tolerance for weapons in schools has resulted in kids being suspended for squirt guns, and zero tolerance for drugs has resulting in jail terms for pot residue. There should be some leniency available in the enforcement of all laws. That's why we have human judges and juries, not justice robots. Every case is different, and I don't see anything wrong with allowing immigration officials to be more lenient with people who are positively contributing to the country. Of course, if you're a zero tolerance zombie, I can see why you'd disagree. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 June 21, 2011 QuoteOf course, illegal is illegal, but it sounds like you are arguing for a zero tolerance policy. Usually, zero tolerance is a sign of a lack of rationality. Zero tolerance for weapons in schools has resulted in kids being suspended for squirt guns, and zero tolerance for drugs has resulting in jail terms for pot residue. Non sequitur - there's an existing LEGAL channel for entry. QuoteZero tolerance zombie As opposed to a "let em all in" zombie?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #31 June 21, 2011 QuoteNon sequitur - there's an existing LEGAL channel for entry. de jure, but not de facto. QuoteAs opposed to a "let em all in" zombie? Now that we've both reduced the other's position to a meaningless slogan, care to comment substantively? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 June 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteNon sequitur - there's an existing LEGAL channel for entry. de jure, but not de facto. QuoteAs opposed to a "let em all in" zombie? Now that we've both reduced the other's position to a meaningless slogan, care to comment substantively? Odd - I was waiting for YOU to. "They're going after the ones taking good jobs from American workers and are being more lenient to the ones contributing to the country either economically or through military service." The ones 'taking good jobs from American workers' (that would be *all* of them, btw, not just the uneducated ones that you seem to allude to) don't contribute to the country economically? As for military service, you're going to have to show the reg that allows illegal aliens to enlist, thanks. And no, the law that allows expedited citizenship for military service does NOT count, as they have to be a *lawful* permanent resident.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #33 June 21, 2011 QuoteThe ones 'taking good jobs from American workers' (that would be *all* of them, btw, not just the uneducated ones that you seem to allude to) don't contribute to the country economically? Not compared to the ones going to college, working professional jobs, or having sons who enlist in the Army. QuoteAs for military service, you're going to have to show the reg that allows illegal aliens to enlist, thanks. And no, the law that allows expedited citizenship for military service does NOT count, as they have to be a *lawful* permanent resident. The cited document talks about leniency for illegal aliens with immediate family members in the military. That seems fair to me. It doesn't seem right to deport a mother or father whose son is fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #34 June 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe ones 'taking good jobs from American workers' (that would be *all* of them, btw, not just the uneducated ones that you seem to allude to) don't contribute to the country economically? Not compared to the ones going to college, working professional jobs, or having sons who enlist in the Army. *Still* illegal and by definition 'taking good jobs from American workers', no matter how you try to redefine it. QuoteQuoteAs for military service, you're going to have to show the reg that allows illegal aliens to enlist, thanks. And no, the law that allows expedited citizenship for military service does NOT count, as they have to be a *lawful* permanent resident. The cited document talks about leniency for illegal aliens with immediate family members in the military. That seems fair to me. It doesn't seem right to deport a mother or father whose son is fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq. Red herring - naturalized citizens can apply for green cards for immediate family members (parents, children and siblings).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 June 21, 2011 Quote There should be some leniency available in the enforcement of all laws. yeah, we need to be more tolerant of murder and rape too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #36 June 21, 2011 One big problem we have with illegals pouring into this country, is the number of drug runners, gangsters, gangster-wannabes and various other criminals. This information comes from Border Patrol Agents I know in the area where I live. It's not just here, it's all along the border. To allow the 'good ones' in, the Border Patrol has to sort through all those they apprehend. A generalization that they are all good and only wanting to do good for these United states is a mis-conception. Sure, there are some like that but the fact is, there are too many sneaking into this country who do not have 'good intentions'. Also, where are we going to put tens of thousands who enter this country illegally? We're losing farm and ranch land, by the thousands of acres, on a daily basis due to urban sprawl. There won't be the wide-open spaces in this country,we enjoy, now. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #37 June 21, 2011 Quoteyeah, we need to be more tolerant of murder and rape too! I guess you've never heard of justifiable homicide. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 June 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteyeah, we need to be more tolerant of murder and rape too! I guess you've never heard of justifiable homicide. Justifiable homicide is not murder, by definition.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #39 June 21, 2011 "Homicide" is "homicide". Are you saying that judges and juries should have no leeway to take into account individual circumstances? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 June 21, 2011 Quote"Homicide" is "homicide". And justifiable homicide is not murder (the term used). QuoteAre you saying that judges and juries should have no leeway to take into account individual circumstances? Actually, that would more closely fit YOUR post, since you assert that 'homicide is homicide'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 June 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteyeah, we need to be more tolerant of murder and rape too! I guess you've never heard of justifiable homicide. the difference between murder and homicide has been pointed out to you. Now what about justified rape? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #42 June 22, 2011 No, dumbass, I was paraphrasing your position. Don't bother with your stupid fucking word games. It's childish and boring. If you want to state your position in response to what I've said, please do so. Otherwise, shut up. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #43 June 22, 2011 Quotethe difference between murder and homicide has been pointed out to you. Now what about justified rape? In your zero tolerance world a sixteen year old who consentually fucked a fifteen year old would get the same sentence as a forty year old who fucked a ten year old at knifepoint. Rape is rape, right? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 June 22, 2011 QuoteNo, dumbass, I was paraphrasing your position. Don't bother with your stupid fucking word games. It's childish and boring. If you want to state your position in response to what I've said, please do so. Otherwise, shut up. Nice PA's - do you always do that when you don't have an argument?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #45 June 22, 2011 Your one warning. Cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #46 June 22, 2011 I have yet to see your argument, so I can only assume all you have is word games and intentional misuderstanding. Would you care to comment on anything I've written? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #47 June 22, 2011 QuoteAmong the factors that ICE states should positively affect clemency are length of time spent in the US, whether education is being pursued and if the suspect or an immediate family member is a veteran of the military. So, they're going to go after the illegals being hired by construction companies, but give a pass to the ones that have been here long enough to get schooling or had a legal relative in the military? Silly way to look at it. What they are saying is, in simpler terms, that they have limited resources and they are trying to establish some kind of order as to who they should focus on. Pretty common to start with the perceived biggest problem and work your way down the list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #48 June 22, 2011 QuoteI have yet to see your argument, so I can only assume all you have is word games and intentional misuderstanding. QuoteWould you care to comment on anything I've written? You first - planning on coming up with something to rebut my position that they should be entering the country LEGALLY instead of getting a bye on being here ILLEGALLY?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #49 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteAmong the factors that ICE states should positively affect clemency are length of time spent in the US, whether education is being pursued and if the suspect or an immediate family member is a veteran of the military. So, they're going to go after the illegals being hired by construction companies, but give a pass to the ones that have been here long enough to get schooling or had a legal relative in the military? Silly way to look at it. What they are saying is, in simpler terms, that they have limited resources and they are trying to establish some kind of order as to who they should focus on. Pretty common to start with the perceived biggest problem and work your way down the list. Sorry, no, the language doesn't support your position. If your surmise were true, the language would have read "primary attention should be given this segment" instead of "consider leniency for this segment".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #50 June 22, 2011 QuoteSorry, no, the language doesn't support your position. If your surmise were true, the language would have read "primary attention should be given this segment" instead of "consider leniency for this segment". Maybe they should declare a War on Illegal Immigration. Most people seem to agree that the War on Drugs is useless and America being what it is, it seems ot need a War of some sort to keep going. (And justify insane amounts of spending) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 2 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
mnealtx 0 #49 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteAmong the factors that ICE states should positively affect clemency are length of time spent in the US, whether education is being pursued and if the suspect or an immediate family member is a veteran of the military. So, they're going to go after the illegals being hired by construction companies, but give a pass to the ones that have been here long enough to get schooling or had a legal relative in the military? Silly way to look at it. What they are saying is, in simpler terms, that they have limited resources and they are trying to establish some kind of order as to who they should focus on. Pretty common to start with the perceived biggest problem and work your way down the list. Sorry, no, the language doesn't support your position. If your surmise were true, the language would have read "primary attention should be given this segment" instead of "consider leniency for this segment".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #50 June 22, 2011 QuoteSorry, no, the language doesn't support your position. If your surmise were true, the language would have read "primary attention should be given this segment" instead of "consider leniency for this segment". Maybe they should declare a War on Illegal Immigration. Most people seem to agree that the War on Drugs is useless and America being what it is, it seems ot need a War of some sort to keep going. (And justify insane amounts of spending) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
