airdvr 210 #1 June 11, 2011 Ohio performs poorly in nearly every conceptual area. http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011 No surprise NY and Cali suck alsoPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #2 June 11, 2011 Seems there is a relationship between political party affiliation and freedom. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/state-states-political-party-affiliation.aspxHAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #3 June 11, 2011 well.. i'm in New YAWK!!!!!!! about the ONLY thing i'm Free to do, is to MOVE...... pretty sad.... but better consider THAT,,, before even that option is gone !!! It's almost embarrassing living here now.. I went to the store to buy a newspaper or two yesterday.... usually get the USA today,, and sometimes the NY Post, or the NY Daily News... the frontpage headline on the Post was... " Weiner says he will STICK IT OUT "..... and the daily news frontpage was about some NY yankee who had gotten hurt.... wow...... jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #4 June 11, 2011 Quotewell.. i'm in New YAWK!!!!!!! about the ONLY thing i'm Free to do, is to MOVE...... pretty sad.... but better consider THAT,,, before even that option is gone !!! It's almost embarrassing living here now.. I went to the store to buy a newspaper or two yesterday.... usually get the USA today,, and sometimes the NY Post, or the NY Daily News... the frontpage headline on the Post was... " Weiner says he will STICK IT OUT "..... and the daily news frontpage was about some NY yankee who had gotten hurt.... wow...... jmy Yeah well I can beat that. I'm an adopted catalan and every penny I pay in taxes goes to pay for the rest of the lazy good for nothing states plus we have a local police force that are assoles and my wife wont move as she's been politicaly brainwashed. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 June 11, 2011 QuoteSeems there is a relationship between political party affiliation and freedom. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/state-states-political-party-affiliation.aspx Interesting comparison.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #6 June 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteSeems there is a relationship between political party affiliation and freedom. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/state-states-political-party-affiliation.aspx Interesting comparison. Yes, but the question is whether it is a causal relationship and, if so, does less freedom lead to a stronger affiliation to the Democrat party? Or does a strong affiliation to the party lead to less freedom? Maybe they are not related at all and the relationship is just coincidence.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #7 June 11, 2011 It kind of appears that the trade off for more "freedom" is less income. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #8 June 11, 2011 QuoteIt kind of appears that the trade off for more "freedom" is less income. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States I suppose I could research it myself, but i think a comparison of cost of living vs income vs freedom vs party affiliation may prove to be very interesting.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 June 11, 2011 QuoteOhio performs poorly in nearly every conceptual area. http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011 Of course, they pick and choose what counts as "freedom." I think if you really look at their criteria it's not so much about personal freedom as businesses being free from regulation, for instance they include "mandated family leave" as one of the criteria that counts against a state, when they could just have easily counted it "for" the individual. Regulating business, in and of itself, doesn't mean a person is more or less free.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 June 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteOhio performs poorly in nearly every conceptual area. http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011 Of course, they pick and choose what counts as "freedom." I think if you really look at their criteria it's not so much about personal freedom as businesses being free from regulation, for instance they include "mandated family leave" as one of the criteria that counts against a state, when they could just have easily counted it "for" the individual. Regulating business, in and of itself, doesn't mean a person is more or less free. I think those who think that all these terrible over regulated states should really love that libertarian nirvana.... and move there. Somalia.... no regulations to worry about.... the land that dreams of the libertarians are made of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 June 11, 2011 Quote Quote Ohio performs poorly in nearly every conceptual area. http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011 Of course, they pick and choose what counts as "freedom." I think if you really look at their criteria it's not so much about personal freedom as businesses being free from regulation, for instance they include "mandated family leave" as one of the criteria that counts against a state, when they could just have easily counted it "for" the individual. Regulating business, in and of itself, doesn't mean a person is more or less free. That's only because you're looking at it from way over there...on the left. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 June 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Ohio performs poorly in nearly every conceptual area. http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011 Of course, they pick and choose what counts as "freedom." I think if you really look at their criteria it's not so much about personal freedom as businesses being free from regulation, for instance they include "mandated family leave" as one of the criteria that counts against a state, when they could just have easily counted it "for" the individual. Regulating business, in and of itself, doesn't mean a person is more or less free. That's only because you're looking at it from way over there...on the left. Just out of curiousity, do you know what the word "mercatus" means?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 June 11, 2011 QuoteSeems there is a relationship between political party affiliation and freedom. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/state-states-political-party-affiliation.aspx When a group defines "freedom" essentially as being "good for corporations" then that shouldn't come as much of a surprise.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 June 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Ohio performs poorly in nearly every conceptual area. http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011 Of course, they pick and choose what counts as "freedom." I think if you really look at their criteria it's not so much about personal freedom as businesses being free from regulation, for instance they include "mandated family leave" as one of the criteria that counts against a state, when they could just have easily counted it "for" the individual. Regulating business, in and of itself, doesn't mean a person is more or less free. That's only because you're looking at it from way over there...on the left. Just out of curiousity, do you know what the word "mercatus" means? I wonder if a free extra large butt plug was awarded for bringing that tripe to peoples attention. Personal freedom.. does not equal freedom to rape and pillage the land as these morons wish to do with impunity. Their idea of freedom is the worst form of oligarchy... from Wiki... GEE look who the Mercatus group gets their supply of EXTRA LARGE BUTT PLUGS FROM.... ***The Mercatus Center was founded by Rich Fink, former president of the Koch Family Foundations, which funds a network of market-oriented think tanks and advocacy groups. Originally called the Center for Market Processes, it moved from Rutgers University to George Mason in the early 1980s before assuming its current name in 1999. The Mercatus Center is entirely funded through donations, including from energy company Koch Industries[2], individual donors and foundations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #15 June 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteSeems there is a relationship between political party affiliation and freedom. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/state-states-political-party-affiliation.aspx When a group defines "freedom" essentially as being "good for corporations" then that shouldn't come as much of a surprise. Please point out in the web site where you read it was a survey of freedom for corporations. Everything I read was referring to freedom of the individual.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #16 June 11, 2011 My state? Just like that ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UKh9zszngc If I ever should be in a need for such a http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=129324; weird collection of toys to feel free, I'd be in serious troubles, I guess. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 June 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSeems there is a relationship between political party affiliation and freedom. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/state-states-political-party-affiliation.aspx When a group defines "freedom" essentially as being "good for corporations" then that shouldn't come as much of a surprise. Please point out in the web site where you read it was a survey of freedom for corporations. Everything I read was referring to freedom of the individual. I'm talking about the web site linked to in the original post. THAT is clearly about corporate freedoms, not individuals. You made the observation about a correlation between a skewed notion of corporate freedom and political affiliation. Well, duh.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #18 June 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSeems there is a relationship between political party affiliation and freedom. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/state-states-political-party-affiliation.aspx When a group defines "freedom" essentially as being "good for corporations" then that shouldn't come as much of a surprise. Please point out in the web site where you read it was a survey of freedom for corporations. Everything I read was referring to freedom of the individual. I'm talking about the web site linked to in the original post. THAT is clearly about corporate freedoms, not individuals. You made the observation about a correlation between a skewed notion of corporate freedom and political affiliation. Well, duh. I made an observation of a correlation between the findings of two surveys. I did not attempt to read bewteen the lines and, in fact, questioned whether there was a genuine link or if it was only coincidence. You, on the other hand, assume the organization's finding are based on what freedoms corporations and businesses have and not the individual. That assumption goes against the statement in the website that clearly says something totally different from what you are assuming. Maybe you should read first before opening your XL mouth.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 June 11, 2011 QuoteYou, on the other hand, assume the organization's finding are based on what freedoms corporations and businesses have and not the individual. That assumption goes against the statement in the website that clearly says something totally different from what you are assuming. Nonsense. Regardless of the spin in their introductory page, it clearly is about "corporate" freedom. Just read further. For example look at their analysis of California and the "policy" recommendations they have to increase "freedom." http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/CA Quote Policy Recommendations Repeal some health-insurance mandated coverages, such as acupuncture, orthotics, IVF, home health care, dental anesthesia, and bone-mass measurement. Cut state spending in the categories in which spending is well above national averages. Relax labor laws to boost employment, such as repealing short-term disability and paid family leave mandates. That is ALL corporate. You can look at the analysis of every state and see the overwhelming bias that what they're really talking about has little to do with individual freedom and pretty much everything to do with "corporate."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #20 June 11, 2011 You are very confused about what a right is. People have a right to seek and obtain these services. But there is no right to have somebody else pay for them. That is a privelage and a benefit. It is very clear you didn't read any of the pdf attached to the website. But then it is your right to make assumptions with no knowledge of what you are talking about.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 June 11, 2011 QuoteYou are very confused about what a right is. No sir, it is you that appear to be confused. Confused between what a person and a company is. PEOPLE have the right to be free and it is the government's responsibility to protect them from those entities that would do the PEOPLE harm. This also needs to be paid for, so taxes do, in fact, need to be levied. It is not "freedom" for a corporation to shirk its duties to pay taxes. It's actually traitorous.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #22 June 11, 2011 Quote My state? Just like that ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UKh9zszngc If I ever should be in a need for such a http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=129324; weird collection of toys to feel free, I'd be in serious troubles, I guess. If that bothers you so much don't look at them, weak minded fools are often afraid on inanimate objects though. If you think Germany is so free you just might be mistaken, you would really hate it here in the USA, so you might not want to visit EVER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #23 June 11, 2011 Quote Quote My state? Just like that ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UKh9zszngc If I ever should be in a need for such a http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=129324; weird collection of toys to feel free, I'd be in serious troubles, I guess. If that bothers you so much don't look at them, weak minded fools are often afraid on inanimate objects though. If you think Germany is so free you just might be mistaken, you would really hate it here in the USA, so you might not want to visit EVER. Dear, you sound like beeing 80+. I've been in"The Land of the Free" so many times ... and always enjoyed it. And always, the way to the north (Canada) was the best one ... But, I still consider my country to be much more free. I do not need hundreds of weapons to feel safe in my home. *Objects* ... Jeez. I'm not afraid of any of them. I own several of *them* - which I just enjoy for hunting. Don't need to be a poser. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #24 June 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou are very confused about what a right is. No sir, it is you that appear to be confused. Confused between what a person and a company is. PEOPLE have the right to be free and it is the government's responsibility to protect them from those entities that would do the PEOPLE harm. This also needs to be paid for, so taxes do, in fact, need to be levied. It is not "freedom" for a corporation to shirk its duties to pay taxes. It's actually traitorous. How the hell did you ever become a mod on this forum?? Your views are so biased there is no way you could EVER enforce the rules here in any impartial way. If you would actually read the report you would see just how far off base your assumptions are. Your comments have virtually nothing to do with the report! Name one right or freedom a corporation can take away from an individual without that person's consent. You can't! Freedom has nothing to do with whether somebody else is paying for your welfare. It has everything to do with personal choice and responsibility. Try running a business sometime and you will see just how little freedom even a small business has.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 June 11, 2011 QuoteI do not need hundreds of weapons to feel safe in my home. Must have missed where he made that claim - can you point it out for us, or at least take the scarecrow with you when you leave the thread?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
