dreamdancer 0 #1 June 4, 2011 we don't care - we want a war... QuoteIn 2007 there was an NIE put out about the Iranian nuclear weapons program, and the White House wanted a summary made. And I think at that point 16 intelligence agencies were involved in the final conclusions. And internally, the guys running it, to their credit, voted 16 to nothing to say what they said, which is that, in a summary put out about the NIE—as I say, unprecedented summary—saying there’s no evidence they had done any weaponization since 2003. And there’s a new study that was just done. It was published in February of this year. And it—we knew about it, but nobody has actually—you’re getting me in a tricky area, but I can just say, people that have worked on the study and have read the study will attest—have attested that it doesn’t take us any further. There’s no further evidence of any weaponization. And what’s even more important that I write is that this, the latest study, was actually supposed to be promulgated—is the word they use in the community—last fall, and it was delayed because the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon intelligence agency, had an assessment that was—knocked everybody’s socks off. Their assessment was, the only reason Iran even looked at weaponization—and we’re not talking about building anything, we’re talking about doing studies, paper studies—was because they were frightened of Iraq. They had had an eight-year war, as many in your audience will remember, between 1980 and 1988, with Iraq, a terrible, brutal war. And when they—their worry was, in the early—in the 2001, 2002 period, that if Iraq went nuclear, they might need some deterrent. So what they even looked at, the papers they did, was aimed not at us or the Israelis, but aimed at the Iraqis. That didn’t get into the final judgment, but it affected the debate in a pretty positive way. http://www.alternet.org/world/151196/seymour_hersh%3A_despite_intelligence_rejecting_iran_as_nuclear_threat%2C_u.s._could_be_headed_for_iraq_redux/?page=entirestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 June 4, 2011 Quotesaying there’s no evidence they had done any weaponization since 2003. And when Iraq stopped UN inspectors at gun point, while trucks rolled out the back of the building, there was no evidence there of misdeeds either, right? Only on Alternut. Would be lovely if you could cite first order publications, rather than the misleading/confused interpretations of them. Or better yet, make your own arguments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #3 June 4, 2011 QuoteSEYMOUR HERSH: Well, just to get away from Iran for a second, what you’re having now is you’re having a—you had it in Tunisia, and you had Egypt, spontaneous people’s revolts, if you will. Your former colleague was in Tahrir Square doing great stuff on it, and still in Cairo, I understand. AMY GOODMAN: Sharif, yes. SEYMOUR HERSH: And so, you had something amazing—yes, you had something amazing going on. And what you have now—and that of course spread. That spread throughout the Gulf regions. And what you have now is a very, very—it’s sort of unremarked upon by the press here in America—you have a counterrevolution going on, fueled largely by the Saudis and their panic. You see the implication of that in Bahrain, where the unbelievable things are happening to the Shiites, the minority Shiites there. They may be a majority in terms of population, but certainly a minority in terms of power. And you have that regime brutalizing its people in a way that’s beyond, I would argue, anything going on elsewhere, including in Syria. As bad as it is in Syria, it’s much worse in Bahrain. And the United States, of course, for a lot of reasons, is ignoring that. http://www.alternet.org/world/151196/seymour_hersh%3A_despite_intelligence_rejecting_iran_as_nuclear_threat%2C_u.s._could_be_headed_for_iraq_redux/?page=entirestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doi 0 #4 June 4, 2011 The propaganda has been spreading to assist the Oligarchs in attacking Iran for some time now. It is about the control of the oil and gas and restricting how powerful Iran becomes. While I do not agree with many of Iran’s policies, I certainly do not agree with the foreign policy of USA, England, France.... either. The biggest threat to global peace is the foreign policy of the United States (among others) and the Neanderthal attitudes of its brainwashed people. The only country to have used nuclear weapons will be the most likely contender to use them again. The power gained from using nuclear weapons has been dwindled away by making some individuals very, very rich. Those people could care less about the people of the United States and that power is coming to an abrupt end. Iran’s nuclear threat is merely a front for the war on the remaining natural recources and the control of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #5 June 7, 2011 QuoteOnly in Jerusalem is messianism growing stronger. The "crime and punishment" principle has a mythical role in all cultures. In messianic cultures, the upheaval of principles is the essence. When a crime and its punishment are reversed, a messianic sign is born. Netanyahu's rise to power came under such a sign. After the incitement demonstrations he orchestrated to chants of, "With blood and fire, we will expel Rabin," led to the assassination of a hero and prime minister, the religious right expected punishment - of Netanyahu and of the settlement world. Instead, seven months after the incitement and the murder, the anointed of the right was elected. And the drama is repeating itself: The modern-day Ben Koziva, Netanyahu, travels to Washington, enters the lion's den and slaps the "black Muslim," aka "president," in the face, and walks away unscathed. Instead of being punished, he wins applause from the elected of the empire. Like Mordechai the Jew in the Purim story whose audacity led to his crowning, our Bar Kochba mounted the horse of public support. The head-spinning from the messianic victory over the "crime and punishment" gave rise to Dagan's warning. In his opinion, the repeated transition in messianism from the manic to the depressive will end in disaster. From Netanyahu's current sense that he has the ability to ignore U.S. opposition to a strike against Iran, as well as its demand for peace talks based on the 1967 border lines, the leadership, when faced with the price of September, will get spooked and, in the service of messianism and the settlements, the strike on Iran will come to stop the peace on the basis of 1967. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/false-messiahs-in-israel-s-capital-1.366420stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 June 7, 2011 Quote The modern-day Ben Koziva, Netanyahu, travels to Washington, enters the lion's den and slaps the "black Muslim," aka "president," in the face, and walks away unscathed. Instead of being punished, he wins applause from the elected of the empire. what a rambling article you've found today. But he did not slap Obama. He responded firmly to a last second grenade tossed the day before his visit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #7 June 8, 2011 QuoteOn Monday, Iran announced it had sent submarines to the Red Sea. "Iranian military submarines entered the Red Sea waters with the goal of collecting information and identifying other countries' combat vessels," reported the semi-official news agency Fars. Iran defended the deployment of the submarines, saying "this kind of military presence is support for Islamic countries, especially those with strategic ties with Iran." Iran's nuclear energy chief and Vice President Fereidoun Abbasi was quoted Wednesday as saying Tehran plans to soon set up the more advanced type of centrifuges, suitable for higher-level uranium enrichment, at the Fordo site near the holy city of Qom in central Iran. Meanwhile, state broadcaster IRIB reported that Iran was also shifting its higher grade uranium enrichment work from a site it has used for years to Fordo and aims to triple the production capacity of the nuclear fuel. "This year, under the supervision of the [International Atomic Energy] Agency, we will transfer 20 percent enrichment from the Natanz site to the Fordo site and we will increase the production capacity by three times," the head of Iran's atomic energy agency, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, told reporters after a cabinet meeting, IRIB reported. The statement is another act of defiance by Iran. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-israel-and-u-s-are-trying-to-provoke-a-regional-war-1.366660stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 June 8, 2011 Quote Quote On Monday, Iran announced it had sent submarines to the Red Sea. "Iranian military submarines entered the Red Sea waters with the goal of collecting information and identifying other countries' combat vessels," reported the semi-official news agency Fars. Iran defended the deployment of the submarines, saying "this kind of military presence is support for Islamic countries, especially those with strategic ties with Iran." Iran's nuclear energy chief and Vice President Fereidoun Abbasi was quoted Wednesday as saying Tehran plans to soon set up the more advanced type of centrifuges, suitable for higher-level uranium enrichment, at the Fordo site near the holy city of Qom in central Iran. Meanwhile, state broadcaster IRIB reported that Iran was also shifting its higher grade uranium enrichment work from a site it has used for years to Fordo and aims to triple the production capacity of the nuclear fuel. "This year, under the supervision of the [International Atomic Energy] Agency, we will transfer 20 percent enrichment from the Natanz site to the Fordo site and we will increase the production capacity by three times," the head of Iran's atomic energy agency, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, told reporters after a cabinet meeting, IRIB reported. The statement is another act of defiance by Iran. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-israel-and-u-s-are-trying-to-provoke-a-regional-war-1.366660 COOOOL... new targets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
