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[rushmc 23]

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what was franklin's famous quote about safety? anyone? and jefferson's quote about outlawing fire because it may burn or water because it may drown you?
and the thing i hate about reading these forums(besides some of the opinions expressed, which is ok, they are opinions) is when someone feels he has to put the text that he is replying to in a quote. stop it already, i've read the one before yours, i don't need to read it 32 more times!! this to me is asinine and i've been using it as a guage of intelligence of the users who do this. it just seems stupid to me, but that too is an opinion.

Context is everything

many, including myself, jump into the middle of a thread somethimes

In any event, you do have an opion. I do not agree with it

I also think your inteligence measurement is flawed

(and that is the nicest way I could put it)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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Wow. Back in 2009 they renewed provisions, too. Your thinking and reasoning is rock solid: "Bush did it and it was bad. Well, Bush and the righties did do it. President Obama and Congress have no choice now because Bush did it. Obama and the progressives said they objected to it, even though many of them voted for it initially but they now regret it so much they had to vote for it again and the President had to sign it. Bush did it."

GAWD you guys are so DESPARATE to believe the law is still being applied the same way it was applied by YOUR hero...sad really.

It's great because you know Bush was NOT my hero but you've got to lie to prove a point. This makes me presume the point is invalid.

Also - I find it amazing that a law is applied "differently." Sure, they aren't warrantless wiretaps. Instead, they are merely wiretaps that don't need warrants.

It's my job to see how laws are applied. I'm not a fan of it at all and I HAVEN'T been a fan, and Obama and the Dems are takign what Bush did and just doing it more intensely.

Here's an example of it, Jeanne - from 2004. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1337569#1337569

I think it's because I don't come with an ideological slant that I can call bullshit on bullshit. Versus your (and many others')well established history of callin bullshit on the bulls of the other herd, but saying, "This isn't bullshit" when your herd makes it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rhaig 0]

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what was franklin's famous quote about safety? anyone? and jefferson's quote about outlawing fire because it may burn or water because it may drown you?
and the thing i hate about reading these forums(besides some of the opinions expressed, which is ok, they are opinions) is when someone feels he has to put the text that he is replying to in a quote. stop it already, i've read the one before yours, i don't need to read it 32 more times!! this to me is asinine and i've been using it as a guage of intelligence of the users who do this. it just seems stupid to me, but that too is an opinion.

that is 100% spot on.

I mean why the hell do people do that?

wait... oh shit...

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[davjohns 1]

It has always rubbed me raw that this attrocious piece of trash is called "The Patriot Act". The implication is that you are disloyal if you don't give up the rights granted to you by nature and nature's god to a bunch of power hungry politicians.

Could we please call it "The Big Brother Act" or "The Brave New World Act"?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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It has always rubbed me raw that this attrocious piece of trash is called "The Patriot Act". The implication is that you are disloyal if you don't give up the rights granted to you by nature and nature's god to a bunch of power hungry politicians.

Could we please call it "The Big Brother Act" or "The Brave New World Act"?

Amen to that.

It is far too easy for the unscrupulous to misuse it... taking us down that wonderful road of police state powers handed out willy nilly to anyone wishing to "protect us" on every freakibng level of government.

Its sad that some people can't see just how much it has already been used and stretched in "mission creep". Is it just me or do we now have "SWAT" teams on even the smallest police departments all across our country, just a droooooooollin to go all tactical for just about any offence?

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So tell me, Jeanne - how am I wrong?

Tell me - how is it that the Patriot Act under President Obama is not not as bad as it was under Dubya?

Tell me - how is it that the wiretaps under Obama are somehow different from the wiretaps under Bush?

Tell me how the Obama Administration is applying the Patriot Act differently from the Bush Admin. I said it was bad under Bush and I say it's still bad. You say it was bad under Bush but don't say it's bad now.

So how am I wrong?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Amazon 7]

I am saying that unlike those of you who voted for so called conservatives who supported this POS legislation... the current administration has not thumbed its nose at FISA.... nor used it to go after republicans as the previous administration did to go after Democrats or "liberals" who disagreed with the GOAT FUCK STUPID policies that the party of paranoia came up with. It was supposed to be for those evildoers who were furriners... not Americans who did not worship the same way those in that administration did.

I want it scrapped.

I want Americans to get a complete restoration of their rights. We certainly did not hear that from any of the conservatard buttstains here, while the hero yall voted for was in office.

[rushmc 23]

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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as the previous administration did to go after Democrats or "liberals" who disagreed with the GOAT FUCK STUPID policies that the party of paranoia came up with.

Gotta cite for that?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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as the previous administration did to go after Democrats or "liberals" who disagreed with the GOAT FUCK STUPID policies that the party of paranoia came up with.

Gotta cite for that?

Go find them yourself.. it was beat to death the last time you could not believe your lord and masters would do such a thing...

AS much as you have worked for the gubmint and still cant believe they would do that.. dude... how do you manage to get a look at the monitors.. ever.

Those idiots you blither on and on about and protect.. learned at the feet of the GREAT PARANOID himself. I voted for that fool.... but unlike some people.. I CAN and HAVE learned from the mistakes in my life.

Others it seems.. not so much

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as the previous administration did to go after Democrats or "liberals" who disagreed with the GOAT FUCK STUPID policies that the party of paranoia came up with.

Gotta cite for that?

Go find them yourself.. it was beat to death the last time you could not believe your lord and masters would do such a thing...

AS much as you have worked for the gubmint and still cant believe they would do that.. dude... how do you manage to get a look at the monitors.. ever.

Those idiots you blither on and on about and protect.. learned at the feet of the GREAT PARANOID himself. I voted for that fool.... but unlike some people.. I CAN and HAVE learned from the mistakes in my life.

Others it seems.. not so much

Others learned to back up their claims with actual data - guess you never got to that lesson.

As it is? Just another pointless 'Zonrant...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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as the previous administration did to go after Democrats or "liberals" who disagreed with the GOAT FUCK STUPID policies that the party of paranoia came up with.

Gotta cite for that?

Go find them yourself.. it was beat to death the last time you could not believe your lord and masters would do such a thing...

AS much as you have worked for the gubmint and still cant believe they would do that.. dude... how do you manage to get a look at the monitors.. ever.

Those idiots you blither on and on about and protect.. learned at the feet of the GREAT PARANOID himself. I voted for that fool.... but unlike some people.. I CAN and HAVE learned from the mistakes in my life.

Others it seems.. not so much

Others learned to back up their claims with actual data - guess you never got to that lesson.

As it is? Just another pointless 'Zonrant...

My point is VERY simple.. GO PROVE they did not... you never did... or would that shake all that time you have wasted supporting the unsupportable Mikeee.

I rest my case. Stick that head where you will... I DONT WANNA KNOW>> I DONT WANNA KNOW>>> WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[lawrocket 3]

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My point is VERY simple.. GO PROVE they did not

Proving a negative. That's what you want? You're putting forth arbitrary standards. I can allege all kinds of things about you and say, "Prove you didn't." For example, I allege that you have been listening to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh today. I also allege that you voted for Bob Barr in the last presidential election.

Prove you didn't.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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My point is VERY simple.. GO PROVE they did not

Proving a negative. That's what you want? You're putting forth arbitrary standards. I can allege all kinds of things about you and say, "Prove you didn't." For example, I allege that you have been listening to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh today. I also allege that you voted for Bob Barr in the last presidential election.

Prove you didn't.

In Mikees case.. IF he ever actually looked.. he would find lots and lots of instances where his hero's have used and abused and no matter how many links were posted he would STILL believe in the infallibility of his hero's.

He would NEVER EVER post anything that would tarnish his hundreds of hours of defending his hero's in his and his fellow travellers eyes.

[Butters 0]

I know you like the movie V for Vendetta but we're talking about reality ... not fantasy.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I know you like the movie V for Vendetta but we're talking about reality ... not fantasy.

Prove your hero's have not used the Patriot act for anything other than the search for Islamo-Fascists..



You will find it is impossible.. because that POS legislation the RePUBICTARDS shoved down the throats of all Americans under the guise of If you are not with us.. you are against us.. and therefor a terrorist has been systematically misused by nearly every LEO agency in this country.


But if you believe that is a fantasy... well.. says a lot about your tolerance for BIG BROTHER.

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I know you like the movie V for Vendetta but we're talking about reality ... not fantasy.

Prove your hero's have not used the Patriot act for anything other than the search for Islamo-Fascists..

You will find it is impossible..

Do you know why everyone would find it impossible?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I know you like the movie V for Vendetta but we're talking about reality ... not fantasy.

Prove your hero's have not used the Patriot act for anything other than the search for Islamo-Fascists..

You will find it is impossible..

Do you know why everyone would find it impossible?

Go find links proving that your hero's administration.. complied with the laws of our country in respect to our constitution and their use of the FISA court.

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I know you like the movie V for Vendetta but we're talking about reality ... not fantasy.

Prove your hero's have not used the Patriot act for anything other than the search for Islamo-Fascists..

You will find it is impossible..

Do you know why everyone would find it impossible?

Go find links proving that your hero's administration.. complied with the laws of our country in respect to our constitution and their use of the FISA court.

My hero's administration? More like your hero's administration. After all, between the two of us you're the only one whose voted for that party before. As far as the rest, go find it yourself ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I know you like the movie V for Vendetta but we're talking about reality ... not fantasy.

Prove your hero's have not used the Patriot act for anything other than the search for Islamo-Fascists..

You will find it is impossible..

Do you know why everyone would find it impossible?

Go find links proving that your hero's administration.. complied with the laws of our country in respect to our constitution and their use of the FISA court.

Again

No one has claimed that the Bush admin did not get laws passed (and they used) that we all think should not be there
The point is

OBAMA IS USING THE SAME LAWS THE SAME WAY ,AND FIGHTS (AND WINS) COURT BATTLES TO KEEP SAID POWERS!!!!!!

So if it so bad when Bush did it, why do you defend Obama when he is doing it?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I know you like the movie V for Vendetta but we're talking about reality ... not fantasy.

Prove your hero's have not used the Patriot act for anything other than the search for Islamo-Fascists..

You will find it is impossible..

Do you know why everyone would find it impossible?

Go find links proving that your hero's administration.. complied with the laws of our country in respect to our constitution and their use of the FISA court.

How about you go find links proving the current administration isn't doing the same thing your accusing the past administration of doing ... I'm waiting.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[davjohns 1]

I just stopped an alien race from destroying the Earth. You all owe me big time. Prove I didn't!

Knuckleheads...

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Amazon 7]

Only you would think its being applied in the same way...

Nice try... PROVE it

[billvon 3,120]

>How about you go find links proving the current administration isn't doing the same
>thing your accusing the past administration of doing . . .

How about you provide some links showing that Amazon did not provide links showing the current administration is not doing the same thing that you claimed the Bush administration didn't do. We're waiting . . .