High School Student Stands Up Against Prayer at Public School and Is Ostracized, Demeaned and Threatened

[dreamdancer 0]

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Batman IS real - I've seen it in the movies

no, he's not real (heretic)! superman is though and you'd better not disbelieve!

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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[rehmwa 2]

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Batman IS real - I've seen it in the movies

no, he's not real (heretic)! superman is though and you'd better not disbelieve!

You obviously can't believe in a guy that lets bullets bounce off his chest, but then ducks when they throw the gun at him. Clearly he's a construct of some power grubbing organization and the bullet thing is just some gimmick. Obviously they hired some actor.

I mean, a REASONABLE person would look at the SCIENTIFIC FACTs.


edit: and why would Wonder Woman bother to block some of the bullets with her bracelets when they clearly would miss her? Is she a showoff? or just stupid?

and, don't get me going on how she pretty much just morphed in Supergirl in the last decade or two - already been down that path - what a waste of a hot concept - stupid PC thuggery

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[dreamdancer 0]

hey, i was a marvel freak - never did get much into those dc characters
the best dc stuff was from jack kirby

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[jakee 1,596]

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An unbiased appraisal of the evidence could lead one in the direction of a global flood without the use of the bible.

No, it could not. Not in any way, shape or form.

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You've drank the purple coolade served by your liberal professors in college...who also drank the purple coolade long ago.

Oh yes, well done. If in doubt start spouting bullshit about the global liberal conspiracy. You poor persecuted christians, life must be so hard for you.

Let me ask you something, when multinational oil companies and mineral giants are out prospecting for deposits do you think they're creating models and interpreting their survey results based on actual geological science and a 4.5 billion year old earth, or based on biblical mumbo jumbo and a 6000 year old earth? Do you honestly believe that those companies would be willing to sacrifice their bottom line just to avoid undermining liberal academia?

Give me a fucking break.

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Gathering "evidence" to fit your presuppositions. Didn't used to be that way.

Actually, apart from a few notable outliers it did used to be that way. Only for a few hundred years has it become otherwise. Of course, the people you listen to are doing their best to bring back the bad old days, and they explicitly admit as much on their own damn website.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

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These are just other words for the God myth - I like how anti's also call on the great "Karma" right after they profess disbelief.

Like who?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SpeedRacer 1]

OK, I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but do you all realize that the LARGEST and OLDEST Christian denomination is on the record saying that they have no problems with scientific explanations ( ie, evolution and 4.5 billion year old Earth) of the Earth's creation?

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"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor PiusXII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrineof the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."

-Pope John Paul II. 1996

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[jakee 1,596]

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OK, I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but do you all realize that the LARGEST and OLDEST Christian denomination is on the record saying that they have no problems with scientific explanations ( ie, evolution and 4.5 billion year old Earth) of the Earth's creation?

SO what do they want, a medal?

And last I checked I was talking to Jay, not the Pope.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SpeedRacer 1]

This thread implied that Christians don't believe in science. I was pointing out that this is not true, except for a few of the more fundamentalist groups.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The evidence, viewed objectively rather than through the lens of a neolithic myth, is that the Earth is indeed billions of years old.

How many billions? And is this an estimate?

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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This thread implied that Christians don't believe in science. I was pointing out that this is not true, except for a few of the more fundamentalist groups.

Oh but that is only for that particular group of Christians, who are not really the same as orthodox Christians (Jaybirds words).

"We're the People's Popular Front of Judea."

[jaybird18c 25]

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Let me ask you something, when multinational oil companies and mineral giants are out prospecting for deposits do you think they're creating models and interpreting their survey results based on actual geological science and a 4.5 billion year old earth, or based on biblical mumbo jumbo and a 6000 year old earth? Do you honestly believe that those companies would be willing to sacrifice their bottom line just to avoid undermining liberal academia?

I don't have any idea what the assumption of millions of years has to do with oil companies and their task.

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Actually, apart from a few notable outliers it did used to be that way. Only for a few hundred years has it become otherwise. Of course, the people you listen to are doing their best to bring back the bad old days, and they explicitly admit as much on their own damn website.

Here is a critical assumption:
"His theory was a radical uniformitarianism in which he insisted that only present-day processes of geological change at present-day rates of intensity and magnitude should be used to interpret the rock record of past geological activity. In other words, geological processes of change have been uniform throughout earth history. No continental or global catastrophic floods have ever occurred, insisted Lyell."

Where Did the Idea of “Millions of Years” Come From?

[jaybird18c 25]

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This thread implied that Christians don't believe in science. I was pointing out that this is not true, except for a few of the more fundamentalist groups.

Oh but that is only for that particular group of Christians, who are not really the same as orthodox Christians (Jaybirds words).

"We're the People's Popular Front of Judea."

If you're going to quote me, do it appropriately and include the context. Otherwise, I'd prefer you didn't attribute my name to your B.S.

[billvon 3,120]

>Well, in the words of the great winsor..."everything you think you know is wrong."

Perhaps. We could all wake up tomorrow and find out that the world has ended, physics no longer exists and Vishnu has returned.

Still, I have a feeling the next time you make a skydive, you'll choose a parachute over a prayer. Despite what gets said on here, most people realize which magisteria is the one to heed when it comes to determining what will happen in the real world.

[champu 1]

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How many billions? And is this an estimate?

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html

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The best age for the Earth comes not from dating individual rocks but by considering the Earth and meteorites as part of the same evolving system in which the isotopic composition of lead, specifically the ratio of lead-207 to lead-206 changes over time owing to the decay of radioactive uranium-235 and uranium-238, respectively. Scientists have used this approach to determine the time required for the isotopes in the Earth's oldest lead ores, of which there are only a few, to evolve from its primordial composition, as measured in uranium-free phases of iron meteorites, to its compositions at the time these lead ores separated from their mantle reservoirs. These calculations result in an age for the Earth and meteorites, and hence the Solar System, of 4.54 billion years with an uncertainty of less than 1 percent. To be precise, this age represents the last time that lead isotopes were homogeneous througout the inner Solar System and the time that lead and uranium was incorporated into the solid bodies of the Solar System.

[jclalor 12]

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Have you seen the movie by Ben Stein called "Expelled?"

One of the worst movies ever made, a complete waste of time.

This guy on the other hand is pretty damn funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFEvyH2nS0

[Andy9o8 2]

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You've drank the purple coolade

Now that's what's called "projection". What do you suppose children attending a "Christian school" are served every day?

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liberal professors in college

You know, it takes zero brains to parrot sloganistic catch-phrases off of Fox News. You surely didn't think that one up all on your own.

[jaybird18c 25]

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that's what's called "projection". What do you suppose children attending a "Christian school" are served every day?

I don't deny my presupposition...but I can't seem to get you guys to admit yours.

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You know, it takes zero brains to parrot sloganistic catch-phrases off of Fox News. You surely didn't think that one up all on your own.

How did Fox News get in this conversation?? Next thing you know...we'll be saying it's all Bush's fault. Wow!

[Shotgun 1]

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These are just other words for the God myth - I like how anti's also call on the great "Karma" right after they profess disbelief. Even they can't be consistent in their beliefs

I think the basic idea of "karma" is that our actions produce effects that are generally in line with whether our actions are positive or negative. There are many people who believe in "karma" without believing in any sort of divine intervention. (Though, like the word "god," it is interpreted in many different ways by different people.) I believe in karma at the very basic level (as explained to me from a non-theistic Buddhist perspective), and I see no reason why this is inconsistent with not believing in a god.

[Coreece 190]

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The idea of God is inherrant in all human beings

uhhh, no...

Well then, I would question the critical thinking skills of such an individual.

I mean if the thought never crossed your mind, I would suspect there is something inherently wrong.

That is some terrible, terrible reasoning. You'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to even have a chance of not being told about someone's idea of god. You might as well say that the idea of Batman is inherant in all americans.

I think you'd have to be a punch-drunk dummy to look at the complexity of life and not consider that it all came from an intelligent entity bigger than ourselves.

...but I suppose there is only one way to test this hypothesis...are there any women out there who'd like to donate the fruit of thy womb to science?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Coreece 190]

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Still, I have a feeling the next time you make a skydive, you'll choose a parachute over a prayer.

Duh...

Luke 4:9-13
The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you
to guard you carefully;
they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'

When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[billvon 3,120]

>I think you'd have to be a punch-drunk dummy to look at the complexity
>of life and not consider that it all came from an intelligent entity bigger
>than ourselves.

You'd have to be a punch-drunk dummy to look at the Giant's Causeway and not consider that it might have been built by someone. But then when you do the research you realize it's all just geology and erosion.

[jakee 1,596]

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I don't have any idea what the assumption of millions of years has to do with oil companies and their task.

Hah, exactly. You have no idea.

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Here is a critical assumption:
"His theory was a radical uniformitarianism in which he insisted that only present-day processes of geological change at present-day rates of intensity and magnitude should be used to interpret the rock record of past geological activity. In other words, geological processes of change have been uniform throughout earth history. No continental or global catastrophic floods have ever occurred, insisted Lyell."

News flash, dude, the science of geology has not been in stasis since 1830.

Now, since you had the unbridled fucking gall and duplicity to mention 'Gathering evidence to fit presuppositions' let's take a look at another quote from that website, shall we? "By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record."

How can you take these lunatics seriously? How can you believe any of the 'science' they present to you when they've straight up told you that they're going to ignore, twist or misrepresent any evidence that does not fit their pre-conceived theory?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Andrewwhyte 1]

The idea of Karma as a positive feedback loop within one lifetime has little to do with Buddhism or Hinduism and more to do with John Lennon.
Those who believe in Karma as espoused by the Bhagavad Gita understand that Paris Hilton is rich because she deserves it due to her behavior in past lives. The same is true for the starving children of the world and those sold into the child sex trade.

edited for spelling.

[Andy9o8 2]

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The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you
to guard you carefully;
they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Translation: the first BASE FJC in recorded history.

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Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'

Translation: "Hold my beer and watch this."

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When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.

Translation: "You pound in, you're on your own, dude."

[jakee 1,596]

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I think you'd have to be a punch-drunk dummy to look at the complexity of life and not consider that it all came from an intelligent entity bigger than ourselves.

Which, despite it's own immense power and complexity, somehow just exists. Yeah, that's perfectly sober and lucid reasoning.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?