rehmwa 2
High School Student Stands Up Against Prayer at Public School and Is Ostracized, Demeaned and Threatened
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rehmwa 2
Oh mighty....possibly conscious or unconscious being of energy, or possibly corporeal, or spirit (if you are so inclined to accept that term). However, if you don't exist, please ignore this message but consider it just a speech of general goodwill....
Please bless/lookupon/ignore/empower this Bachelor Party and or event which you may or may not approve of, if you exist in some form or not.
In your name - or my name - or in the name of the pretty girl about to dance on Butter's lap. Either way.
Just in case, or not.
the end
((I'm good with this
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteYou are guiding them to your position on the matter.
No, I am guiding them to their position on the matter.
Butters 0
QuoteOh I do understand
And your post is a perfect example of why I asked the questions and why I asked them the way I did.
This shows your arrogance.
QuoteNow you show your arrogant indignation when you imply that I do not understand
Learn English ... implying you don't understand may show arrogance but it doesn't show indignation.
QuoteNow do you honestly feel your beliefs do NOT affect others ?
No. I honestly believe that your beliefs currently affect me more than my beliefs affect you and believe this should be changed.
QuoteCause if you do you are delusional at best
Believing the fantasies in the Bible were a reality is delusional at best.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
Butters 0
QuoteOh mighty....possibly conscious or unconscious being of energy, or possibly corporeal, or spirit (if you are so inclined to accept that term). However, if you don't exist, please ignore this message but consider it just a speech of general goodwill....
Please bless/lookupon/ignore/empower this Bachelor Party and or event which you may or may not approve of, if you exist in some form or not.
In your name - or my name - or in the name of the pretty girl about to dance on Butter's lap. Either way.
Just in case, or not.
the end
((I'm good with this))
Bill, I doubt any girl will be dancing on my lap ... no strippers and you've witnessed my game (or lack thereof).
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
jclalor 12
QuoteQuoteWhen they move outQuoteQuoteQuoteBlah, blah, blah ... what good Christians you are.
Hmm
So you do think that if someone has been exposed to the information and they chose to become followers they have been failed in teaching process and therfore have been indoctrinated?
Am seriously asking
Revised my previous post to reflect my thoughts. I think you've failed in the teaching process when you pose one theory as right and the competing theories as wrong instead of teaching the theories as theories and allowing the individual to make their own decision.Ok, I can go with this too. But answer me this, if they make a decsion that they want to follow, were they taught or indocrinated?
PS: At what age would you allow your child to deny your religion and refrain from participating in it?
It is my house
All children are born Atheist, no one is born believing in the supernatural. A child must be indoctrinated to be a believer. You would never ask a 3 year old what political party he belongs to and then take his answer seriously.
I never once told my daughter there was no God or that I was an Atheist. I just raised her to be a skeptic, and to question things that don't pass the smell test. The last thing I wanted to do was indoctrinate her with my lack of belief in the supernatural and then have her turn into a believer and blame me for trying to keep her from God.
I think it's fine to try and pass on your morales and ethics to your children, but the belief in the
supernatural should be a choice left to be made as an adult. To try and say the bible teaches morales and ethics is just being dishonest with yourself and your children.
jaybird18c 25
What do youmean by indoctrination?
QuoteBelieving the fantasies in the Bible were a reality is delusional at best.
Not necessarily. There are those of us that actually are able to believe and understand the scientific community's discoverings and still have what could be defined as a "literal" interpretation of the bible.
Sounds strange, but I do believe the God of the bible is the same as the God of science, and although many Christians would call me a heretic, I don't feel that scientific findings have to conflict with Genesis when given the context of who, how, and why the book was written.
So as impossible as it may sound, I believe in a "literal" interpretation of Genesis, but I also believe in the evolution of species and that the earth is billions of years old. There's no way to explain all my reasoning in one post, but here's a link that best sums up what myself and many of us have come to believe, and why.
Keep in mind the discussion in this link was meant to address Christians that want to deny scientific findings, not try to convince scientists that Christianity can fit into their view. I'm only referencing the article to show that some of us aren't as illogical as you may think, unless you believe it is impossible to believe in both a creator and science.
http://www.bcbsr.com/survey/genint.html
Anyway this is getting off track a bit and probably deserves a thread of its own.
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteYou are guiding them to your position on the matter.
No, I am guiding them to their position on the matter.
as do jaybird, rush, jakee and all the others of all these differing beliefs
their position as guided by the parent, the child can decide when they are an adult - in the meantime, we choose what they get exposed to as parents. You have more of a smorgasbord, as do I, and those guys do their thing - as is their right
that's a form of indoctrination - it's not a bad thing, it just is
do you want to force them to take up your style with their kids? if so, then that's a bad advocacy of a different kind of indoctrination
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rehmwa 2
QuoteI think it's fine to try and pass on your morales and ethics to your children,
I think this is the whole point. Some people don't think "it's fine" unless those ethics and morals and Rita Morales align with their vision.
not a lot of "let the parents be parents" attitudes here at all it seems
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Butters 0
QuoteQuotePS: At what age would you allow your child to deny your religion and refrain from participating in it?
When they move out
It is my house
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"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
jakee 1,595
QuoteQuoteQuotemy kid's private Christian school. Within their classical model of instruction, they're taught logic and critical thinking skills.
Figures. Teach them to recognise the enemy and they'll know how to avoid them.
Would you not be open for Ken Ham or even Ben Stein to lecture at your kid's school (if you have kids)? Or do you "teach them to recognize the enemy?" Wouldn't it be good for them to really know both sides of the issues and have the critical thinking skills to decide for themselves which is correct?
I didn't mean Richard Dawkins was the enemy, I meant logic and critical thinking are their enemy. Assuming they're also going to grow up thinking the world is 6000 years old, Noah actually had an ark and the banana is god's greatest gift to his creation.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jaybird18c 25
So it's only critical thinking if the results they come up with match up with yours. Got it.
i think it is pretty obvious that the world isn't 6000 years old and noah didn't have ark...
stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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jaybird18c 25
Quotei think it is pretty obvious that the world isn't 6000 years old and noah didn't have ark...
Depends on your presuppositions.
QuoteQuotei think it is pretty obvious that the world isn't 6000 years old and noah didn't have ark...
Depends on your presuppositions.
no, just a simple test of logic and critical thinking. i would be extremely suspicious of anyone who hasn't worked out that father xmas doesn't actually exist for instance...
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jaybird18c 25
Quoteno, just a simple test of logic and critical thinking. i would be extremely suspicious of anyone who hasn't worked out that father xmas doesn't actually exist for instance...
I would be very suspicious of that person also.
QuoteQuoteno, just a simple test of logic and critical thinking. i would be extremely suspicious of anyone who hasn't worked out that father xmas doesn't actually exist for instance...
I would be very suspicious of that person also.
and just as suspicious of someone who hasn't worked out that the world isn't 6000 years old and there was no ark...
stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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jakee 1,595
QuoteSo it's only critical thinking if the results they come up with match up with yours. Got it.
Don't be daft. I think we can all agree that the brand of unbridled bullshit you subscribe to requires you reason switch to be over-ridden by your faith switch.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jaybird18c 25
QuoteQuoteQuoteno, just a simple test of logic and critical thinking. i would be extremely suspicious of anyone who hasn't worked out that father xmas doesn't actually exist for instance...
I would be very suspicious of that person also.
and just as suspicious of someone who hasn't worked out that the world isn't 6000 years old and there was no ark...
Again...depends on your presuppositions.
jaybird18c 25
QuoteDon't be daft. I think we can all agree that the brand of unbridled bullshit you subscribe to requires you reason switch to be over-ridden by your faith switch.
You can't "shut down" opposing views no matter how insulting you come across.
jakee 1,595
QuoteQuotei think it is pretty obvious that the world isn't 6000 years old and noah didn't have ark...
Depends on your presuppositions.
Yes. On the one hand we have the presupposition that evidence is useful, on the other hand we have the presupposition that everything we think we know about the universe is flat wrong, except the stuff written by a bunch quasi nomadic tribesmen who'd only just figured out that a golden statue of a cow didn't really have magical powers.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,595
QuoteQuoteDon't be daft. I think we can all agree that the brand of unbridled bullshit you subscribe to requires you reason switch to be over-ridden by your faith switch.
You can't "shut down" opposing views no matter how insulting you come across.
And you can't pretend that ludicrous beliefs have anything to do with anything that could be considered actual thought.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
which definition are we using now?
Anyway - I have a positive version - You are guiding them to your position on the matter. Isn't that indoctrination? Isn't that also good parenting?
If you go with the negative version - nope, it's your kids. But if you force another person to explore all options (example - they only want their kids to be rabid atheists or rabid christians) - then you are espousing indoctrination
Indoctrination is about 'who' is doing the teaching (an outsider). Not 'what' is being taught. you're mixing up the two.
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