Awww Poor Babies

[jakee 1,594]

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Is he or other people above the law? Do you think people should get to pick who needs to follow the law and who does not ? Or should all be treated fairly under the law?

Kindly explain how any of what you have just asked has any relevance to the article you linked to in your OP.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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Is he or other people above the law? Do you think people should get to pick who needs to follow the law and who does not ? Or should all be treated fairly under the law?

Kindly explain how any of what you have just asked has any relevance to the article you linked to in your OP.

Your kidding right?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

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Is he or other people above the law? Do you think people should get to pick who needs to follow the law and who does not ? Or should all be treated fairly under the law?

Kindly explain how any of what you have just asked has any relevance to the article you linked to in your OP.

Your kidding right?

Are you?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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Is he or other people above the law? Do you think people should get to pick who needs to follow the law and who does not ? Or should all be treated fairly under the law?

Kindly explain how any of what you have just asked has any relevance to the article you linked to in your OP.

Your kidding right?

Are you?

Thats what I thought

Thanks for playing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

How about, for once, you stop dicking about and just answer the question?


The words jelly, wall and nails come to mind.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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How about, for once, you stop dicking about and just answer the question?


The words jelly, wall and nails come to mind.

Is the FOIA a law or just some fuzzy good feeling?

YOUR question was rediculas to the point of lunacy.

He complains about the information requests that he and others, must comply too

Are you serious?

Throwing some shit up against a wall and seeing if it sticks comes to mind replying to you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

Here is the most relevant paragraph from the article you linked to:

Nurse said the government should examine the issue, and think about tweaking freedom of information legislation to recognise potential misuse. Otherwise, he predicted, FoI aggression could be in future used by campaigners to cripple scientific research in many other controversial areas of science, such as genetically modified crops. "I don't actually know the answer but I think we have a problem here. We need better guidelines about when the use of freedom of information is useful."

Read that carefully. Understand that the person speaking is not a climate scientist but works in a completely different field. Then, explain to me how this indicates that Sir Paul Nurse thinks he is above the law.

Explain to me why a request for the government to examine a piece of legislation he believes is open to abuse means he thinks he should be above the law. (And bear in mind that in his role as president of the Royal Society it is, in part, his job to represent the views and concerns of the scientific community to the government.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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Here is the most relevant paragraph from the article you linked to:

Nurse said the government should examine the issue, and think about tweaking freedom of information legislation to recognise potential misuse. Otherwise, he predicted, FoI aggression could be in future used by campaigners to cripple scientific research in many other controversial areas of science, such as genetically modified crops. "I don't actually know the answer but I think we have a problem here. We need better guidelines about when the use of freedom of information is useful."

Read that carefully. Understand that the person speaking is not a climate scientist but works in a completely different field. Then, explain to me how this indicates that Sir Paul Nurse thinks he is above the law.

Explain to me why a request for the government to examine a piece of legislation he believes is open to abuse means he thinks he should be above the law.

His requests to examine it are relavant

His bitching about it is not

And just becuase it may get reviewed does not mean it is wrong or should be changed

It only means he does not like it and it bitching about it

So, unles or until the law is changed he must comply

Regardless of what he thinks

And I dont care what field this guy is in. It does not matter


Oh

And you list what YOU think is the most relevant pargraph didnt you....

His whining is what I posted to to

Poor baby.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

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His bitching about it is not

His bitching? Can you identify any of what he said that you thought was overly bitchy?

I'm curious, do you think he simply should have stated that he wanted the freedom of information laws to be re-examined but refused to say why?

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So, unles or until the law is changed he must comply

Does the article contain any indication whatsoever that he thinks climate scientists should not respond to legally correct requests?

I'll ask again, explain to me why you think that Paul Nurse believes he should be above the law?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Rush, it would seem that your desire to gloat is significantly larger than his desire to bitch.

[JohnRich 4]

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The issue is that the current law may be opening a legal gateway for requests that are actually nothing more than deliberate harrasment and timewasting.

Is it your considered opinion that imperfect laws should never be questioned?

Wrong.

Is it your considered opinion that imperfect scientists would never hide poor or falsified research?

Because I can sure come up with some news headlines about scientists who have done exctly that...

Why presume that the FOIA requests are purely harrasment, without also considering the possibility that some scientists actually wish to hide some things?

[jakee 1,594]

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The issue is that the current law may be opening a legal gateway for requests that are actually nothing more than deliberate harrasment and timewasting.

Is it your considered opinion that imperfect laws should never be questioned?

Wrong.

Right.

Have you actually read the article yet? I know you hadn't when you wrote your fist post.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JohnRich 4]

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Wrong.

Right. Have you actually read the article yet? I know you hadn't when you wrote your fist post.

Wrong.

[jakee 1,594]

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Wrong.

Right. Have you actually read the article yet? I know you hadn't when you wrote your fist post.

Wrong.

Then why did you post something you knew to be untrue?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[popsjumper 2]

Oh, the irony of it all.

You say he is "bitching" and here you are "bitching" about his "bitching".
Too funny.




You seem to just need to bitch about stuff and stumbled on something you could misinterpret to meet your needs.
Good luck!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Andy9o8 2]

Wrong!!



Sorry - got caught up in it.

[rushmc 23]

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His bitching about it is not

His bitching? Can you identify any of what he said that you thought was overly bitchy?

I'm curious, do you think he simply should have stated that he wanted the freedom of information laws to be re-examined but refused to say why?

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So, unles or until the law is changed he must comply

Does the article contain any indication whatsoever that he thinks climate scientists should not respond to legally correct requests?

I'll ask again, explain to me why you think that Paul Nurse believes he should be above the law?

Why are you zoomed in on climate scientists? Are they gernerally known liars? (we do know some of them are so it that why ?)

I refererenced them when I stated like AWG scientists

There are plenty of other examples

Iowa DNR scientists got caught is a scam to make lands unacessable to hunters with their dirty tricks

FIOA requests got their emails and proved it. This guy lost his job

So what is your point?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Oh, the irony of it all.

You say he is "bitching" and here you are "bitching" about his "bitching".
Too funny.




You seem to just need to bitch about stuff and stumbled on something you could misinterpret to meet your needs.
Good luck!

What have I misinterpreted?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Rush, it would seem that your desire to gloat is significantly larger than his desire to bitch.

And what am I gloating about?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

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Why are you zoomed in on climate scientists? Are they gernerally known liars? (we do know some of them are so it that why ?)

I refererenced them when I stated like AWG scientists

You answer your own question.

(Oh, and if you're going to pretend you didn't link to this article in a liberal UK newspaper (not your usual stomping ground) because of it's frequent references to climate scientists, you're a barefaced fucking liar.)

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Iowa DNR scientists got caught is a scam to make lands unacessable to hunters with their dirty tricks

FIOA requests got their emails and proved it

First, Iowan freedom of information laws are not british freedom of information laws. That one set of laws apparently works is no guarantee that the other set cannot be improved.

Second, nowhere in the article is it even suggested that scientists should be exempted from freedom of information requests for data. If anything, the main interviewee is saying that the scientific community should learn to be more transparent.

now, if you've quite finished changing the subject, I'll ask again:

1) Can you identify any of what he said that you thought was overly bitchy?

2) I'm curious, do you think he simply should have stated that he wanted the freedom of information laws to be re-examined but refused to say why?

3) Explain to me why you think that Paul Nurse believes he should be above the law?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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Why are you zoomed in on climate scientists? Are they gernerally known liars? (we do know some of them are so it that why ?)

I refererenced them when I stated like AWG scientists

You answer your own question.

(Oh, and if you're going to pretend you didn't link to this article in a liberal UK newspaper (not your usual stomping ground) because of it's frequent references to climate scientists, you're a barefaced fucking liar.)

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Iowa DNR scientists got caught is a scam to make lands unacessable to hunters with their dirty tricks

FIOA requests got their emails and proved it

First, Iowan freedom of information laws are not british freedom of information laws. That one set of laws apparently works is no guarantee that the other set cannot be improved.

Second, nowhere in the article is it even suggested that scientists should be exempted from freedom of information requests for data. If anything, the main interviewee is saying that the scientific community should learn to be more transparent.

now, if you've quite finished changing the subject, I'll ask again:

1) Can you identify any of what he said that you thought was overly bitchy?the whole time. He does not like being bothered

2) I'm curious, do you think he simply should have stated that he wanted the freedom of information laws to be re-examined but refused to say why?
I dont care. How many paragraphs does it take to make a point about this?
3) Explain to me why you think that Paul Nurse believes he should be above the law?

He does not like being bothered (poor baby). He can suck it up and live with it or change jobs

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

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1) Can you identify any of what he said that you thought was overly bitchy?the whole time. He does not like being bothered

He does not like being bothered? The behaviour he was talking about does not apply to him. He's a biologist who works on cell division. Not the kind of controversial area of research that would lead to organised campaigns of FOI harrasment.

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2) I'm curious, do you think he simply should have stated that he wanted the freedom of information laws to be re-examined but refused to say why?
I dont care. How many paragraphs does it take to make a point about this?

What does that even mean? Did he write the article himself? Could he control how many quotes from the interview the reporter chose to use?

Seriously, are you actually now going to claim that your only problem with this article is how long it was?

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3) Explain to me why you think that Paul Nurse believes he should be above the law?
He does not like being bothered (poor baby). He can suck it up and live with it or change jobs

Again, it's not about him. And, again, explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said.

(That you think he's a crybaby is irrelevant, so please try and raise yourself above the playground level of debate for at least one post, if you can.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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1) Can you identify any of what he said that you thought was overly bitchy?the whole time. He does not like being bothered

He does not like being bothered? The behaviour he was talking about does not apply to him. He's a biologist who works on cell division. Not the kind of controversial area of research that would lead to organised campaigns of FOI harrasment.

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2) I'm curious, do you think he simply should have stated that he wanted the freedom of information laws to be re-examined but refused to say why?
I dont care. How many paragraphs does it take to make a point about this?

What does that even mean? Did he write the article himself? Could he control how many quotes from the interview the reporter chose to use?

Seriously, are you actually now going to claim that your only problem with this article is how long it was?

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3) Explain to me why you think that Paul Nurse believes he should be above the law?
He does not like being bothered (poor baby). He can suck it up and live with it or change jobs

Again, it's not about him. And, again, explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said.

(That you think he's a crybaby is irrelevant, so please try and raise yourself above the playground level of debate for at least one post, if you can.)

I am not sure why think you need to take an angle to get me to change my mind

The guy is cry baby IMO . He is not in your opinion

You will not change my mind and I will not change yours

You can nit pick this to try and do (what ever it is the hell you are doing) but it is not working

He is cry baby

He can grow up or change jobs

Have a nice day

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

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I am not sure why think you need to take an angle to get me to change my mind

What angle? All I'm trying to do is get you to back up your statements. You have stated, repeatedly, with absolutely no reasoning, that he thinks he is above the law. Justify it.

You may think he's a crybaby, whatever, but that's got nothing to do with thinking he is above the law. And it's incredibly obvious to everyone that your changing tack like that is just a pathetic avoidance tactic.

Like I said, trying to get you to back up your brainless smack talk is like trying to nail jelly to a wall.

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You can nit pick this to try and do (what ever it is the hell you are doing) but it is not working

Believe it or not, what I am trying to do is get you to give a straight answer to a straight question. And you're absolutely right, that's not working.

As a secondary objective though, I'll settle for giving you enough rope to hang yourself with.

Seriously, go back through this thread and look at the way you twist and turn and change the subject every single time you're asked a question. Anything to avoid actually backing up an opinion. Honestly, I wonder why it is you post here? What do you hope to get out of it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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I am not sure why think you need to take an angle to get me to change my mind

What angle? All I'm trying to do is get you to back up your statements. You have stated, repeatedly, with absolutely no reasoning, that he thinks he is above the law. Justify it.

You may think he's a crybaby, whatever, but that's got nothing to do with thinking he is above the law. And it's incredibly obvious to everyone that your changing tack like that is just a pathetic avoidance tactic.

Like I said, trying to get you to back up your brainless smack talk is like trying to nail jelly to a wall.

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You can nit pick this to try and do (what ever it is the hell you are doing) but it is not working

Believe it or not, what I am trying to do is get you to give a straight answer to a straight question. And you're absolutely right, that's not working.

As a secondary objective though, I'll settle for giving you enough rope to hang yourself with.

Seriously, go back through this thread and look at the way you twist and turn and change the subject every single time you're asked a question. Anything to avoid actually backing up an opinion. Honestly, I wonder why it is you post here? What do you hope to get out of it?

The rope thing was obvious dude

But I have been consistant. The twists have come from you trying to reframe the debate

I did not take the bait and you dont like it

Tough aint it

So be it

The guy is a whinner. He does not like being required to give out data and info from his (or anybody elses) research. He is asking for a review

Nothing has changed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln