SpeedRacer 1 #1 May 25, 2011 http://blogs.christianpost.com/good-reads/2011/05/hell-bell-and-heresy-a-caution-08/ Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #2 May 25, 2011 Quotehttp://blogs.christianpost.com/good-reads/2011/05/hell-bell-and-heresy-a-caution-08/ Too late. Jaybird already sent Anne Frank to hell."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #3 May 25, 2011 Given the vast number of "Christian" cults and sects with widely differing beliefs, I can't see any particular concept as being essential except a desire to busybody in other people's lives.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 May 25, 2011 Did you read the whole article? The guy delineates the essential tenets of Christianity according to the Nicene & Apostles Creeds. Which do not mention hell as a place of eternal torment. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 27 #5 May 25, 2011 With regard to the Creeds, an argument from exclusion isn't a good one. The question isn't what the Creeds say or do not say with regard to hell. The question is what do the Scriptures say about a particular subject. The Creeds are only beneficial in as far as they line up with and help the Christian understand Scripture. I say the Creeds you mentioned most certainly do for what they describe. Is the doctrine of reprobation an essential belief concerning salvation? You could argue that it is not, however, it certainly informs you what you were saved from. Wouldn't make much sense without it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #6 May 25, 2011 QuoteDid you read the whole article? The guy delineates the essential tenets of Christianity according to the Nicene & Apostles Creeds. Which do not mention hell as a place of eternal torment. Whatever you may believe, there's almost certainly a "Christian" somewhere who believes that you are heretic. In the 15th and 16th Centuries different "Christian" sects were torturing and burning each other at every opportunity. All in keeping with the teachings of Jesus of course.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 27 #7 May 25, 2011 Quote Quote http://blogs.christianpost.com/good-reads/2011/05/hell-bell-and-heresy-a-caution-08/ Too late. Jaybird already sent Anne Frank to hell. I really wish you wouldn't misrepresent what I say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #8 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteDid you read the whole article? The guy delineates the essential tenets of Christianity according to the Nicene & Apostles Creeds. Which do not mention hell as a place of eternal torment. Whatever you may believe, there's almost certainly a "Christian" somewhere who believes that you are heretic. In the 15th and 16th Centuries different "Christian" sects were torturing and burning each other at every opportunity. All in keeping with the teachings of Jesus of course.That's what this guy is saying. But the fighting you mention was not over the issues mentioned in the Creeds. It was over whether or not the Papacy should have authority over Christendom. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #9 May 27, 2011 QuoteDid you read the whole article? The guy delineates the essential tenets of Christianity according to the Nicene & Apostles Creeds. Which do not mention hell as a place of eternal torment. The concept of hell being an eternal place of torment and vengeance didn't take hold until St. Augustine came into the picture (which, surprise, surprise, was after those creeds were made). Furthermore, going by the early church, there were 6 schools of thought. 4 of them preached universal salvation (that eventually, God would redeem everyone through Christ, living and dead), 1 preached annihilation (similar to what SDAs believe) and only 1 school taught any sort of eternal damnation like we see today. And as luck would have it, that 1 group that taught hell, hell, was the group that didn't read / use Greek texts.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
