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winsor 236
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You give yourself too much credit in the assumption that you are capable of comprehension. You have demonstrated conclusively otherwise.
If I have to explain, you would not understand.
You are on a roll. Keep em coming. I think a heavy metal or hip hop genre would work best. What do you think?
You think you think? That's so cute.
jclalor 12
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Really? Well how lucky that natural selection is not the only factor in evolution.
Intelligent design is the major component.
Call it what it is: creationism. Intelligent design was invented in 1989 to be make creationism sound more like science so it could be taught in public schools. The term was first used in the ID text book "Of pandas and people" and was later found to be a complete fraud that was written by right wing conservative think tanks.
When in 2003, parents in Dover Pa sued the school board for trying to teach ID in the high school, they sued. The Judge who on the case was a Bush appointed conservative Christian who ruled:
"U.S. District Court Judge John E. Jones III ultimately decided for the plaintiffs, writing in his decision that intelligent design "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents."
If you have time, this Nova special on the subject will explain the whole ID controversy.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-404729062613200911#
Coreece 190
QuoteYou might well still think it's wrong of me to sink to that level, but it's funny that you'd give a free pass to the person that started the conversation on that level in the first place.
Ah yes, the old adolescent cry of innocence..."well, well...he started it!"
Classic!
Were you also trying to copy-cat Marc when you got that entire religious thread deleted because of your cheap personal attack?
You do it all the time...you're not fooling anybody.
I'm willing to bet that you hold the record for most consecutive PA's without a ban...quite impressive actually.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
jclalor 12
QuoteI'm willing to bet that you hold the record for most consecutive PA's without a ban...quite impressive actually.
your funny.
jakee 1,593
QuoteAh yes, the old adolescent cry of innocence..."well, well...he started it!"
It's not a cry of innocence. If you think I'm being rude, fine, you're probably right. If swearing offends you, there's no reason why it shouldn't offend you the second time as well as the first. However, when it only offends you the second time and not the first, well, then you're making a biased, cockeyed appraisal of things.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
champu 1
QuoteQuote"I may disagree with it, but so what?"
I find that to be a very sincere and accepting response to many areas.
By the way, this is essentially what I was getting at with the clown-suit/forehead-asshole comment and only getting worried when the numbers get too large.
If someone chooses to believe something I consider ridiculous or unjustified it doesn't bother me (e.g. alien UFO sightings, the westboro baptist church, people who believe the moon landing was a hoax, etc.) But if millions and millions of people believe something I consider ridiculous or unjustified and they let it influence their behavior at the polls (e.g. electing people to try and get ID taught as science in schools, banning research, CA prop 8, etc.) then suddenly I'm going to have a problem with it. That's the "so what."
Now, I'm not going to respond with, "well god doesn't exist so you're opinion is wrong neener neener," but I am going to try and find out how their support or opposition for something relates back to their belief in god. Then I'm going to try and provide some other explanations for things (like where a moral code/law might come from) in an effort to sever their stance on a particular issue from their belief in god. I care about the former, not the latter.
Some people take this as an affront to their faith even though I'm going to lengths to avoid doing that. Some people take this as simply me inserting some other "just as faith-based" opinion on the issue even though that's not the case either. And then some people just ignore me completely which I'm used to.
jaybird18c 24
So when you stand before your maker when you die, you're going to offer all that as your excuse for what you've done?
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteAh yes, the old adolescent cry of innocence..."well, well...he started it!"
It's not a cry of innocence. If you think I'm being rude, fine, you're probably right. If swearing offends you, there's no reason why it shouldn't offend you the second time as well as the first. However, when it only offends you the second time and not the first, well, then you're making a biased, cockeyed appraisal of things.
There is no possible way a mature adult could consider your reasoning as mature adult.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
quade 4
QuoteSo when you stand before your maker when you die, you're going to offer all that as your excuse for what you've done?
That presupposes any such thing happens. Some people aren't convinced it does. There's certainly no proof that it does. None.
So why even bother with the idea?
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champu 1
QuoteSo when you stand before your maker when you die, you're going to offer all that as your excuse for what you've done?
I'm not sure why I would need to explain my reasoning in that situation as, after all, who the hell am I?
Thanks for the concern though.
jaybird18c 24
QuoteThat presupposes any such thing happens. Some people aren't convinced it does. There's certainly no proof that it does. None.
So why even bother with the idea?
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:18-20)
quade 4
QuoteQuoteThat presupposes any such thing happens. Some people aren't convinced it does. There's certainly no proof that it does. None.
So why even bother with the idea?
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:18-20)
You do realize that doesn't prove anything; right?
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QuoteQuoteSo when you stand before your maker when you die, you're going to offer all that as your excuse for what you've done?
That presupposes any such thing happens. Some people aren't convinced it does. There's certainly no proof that it does. None.
So why even bother with the idea?
Ah, because so many in here ARE convinced that NO such thing happens. There's certainly no proof that such a thing doesn't happen.
What makes one approach any more valid than the other?
Proof? Neither approach has "proof". Anyone asking for "proof" is asking a non-answerable question. Pointless to ask, really, don't you think?
Funny how non-believers get all wadded up trying to tell believers that they are wrong.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
quade 4
You're missing a bigger point.
Do also prepare to UFO attacks?
Are you prepared for a black hole to vaporize the earth?
Have you prepared for time travel into the past?
Do also prepare to UFO attacks?
Are you prepared for a black hole to vaporize the earth?
Have you prepared for time travel into the past?
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Andy9o8 2
QuoteThere's certainly no proof that such a thing doesn't happen.
That is completely circular reasoning.
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Ah, because so many in here ARE convinced that NO such thing happens. There's certainly no proof that such a thing doesn't happen.
well, I am hoping the 72 virgin thing is real, but it does present obvious math problem when looking at world demographics and sex habits.
winsor 236
QuoteQuoteThat presupposes any such thing happens. Some people aren't convinced it does. There's certainly no proof that it does. None.
So why even bother with the idea?
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:18-20)
All written by a pagan who hijacked the legacy of Cousin Jesus.
You can do better.
If you argue against science on the internet it proves only one thing ; you lack understanding and judgment commensurate to the solemnity of that position.
RonD1120 62
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All written by a pagan who hijacked the legacy of Cousin Jesus.
You can do better.
You did not reply to my last question, albeit a bit snarky.
I am trying to get a better understanding of you as a person. So, I shall ask in a different more direct manner.
Are you of the Jewish faith and therefore non-accepting of Jesus as Messiah? Or, are you an atheist Jew?
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
winsor 236
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All written by a pagan who hijacked the legacy of Cousin Jesus.
You can do better.
You did not reply to my last question, albeit a bit snarky.
I am trying to get a better understanding of you as a person. So, I shall ask in a different more direct manner.
Are you of the Jewish faith and therefore non-accepting of Jesus as Messiah? Or, are you an atheist Jew?
Your attempt to put me into a context you understand is doomed to fail.
Judaism is who you are, not what you are. Judaism is a tribal identity not a religion, but we have traditions with significant religious implication.
I am a (somewhat) observant, though skeptical, Jew.
RonD1120 62
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All written by a pagan who hijacked the legacy of Cousin Jesus.
You can do better.
You did not reply to my last question, albeit a bit snarky.
I am trying to get a better understanding of you as a person. So, I shall ask in a different more direct manner.
Are you of the Jewish faith and therefore non-accepting of Jesus as Messiah? Or, are you an atheist Jew?
Your attempt to put me into a context you understand is doomed to fail.
Judaism is who you are, not what you are. Judaism is a tribal identity not a religion, but we have traditions with significant religious implication.
I am a (somewhat) observant, though skeptical, Jew.
Based on my understanding from Donna Rosenthal's book The Israelis, your statement makes sense to me.
Thank you for your candid reply.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
jakee 1,593
QuoteWhat makes one approach any more valid than the other?
Because one approach does not assume that a made up story is true, the other approach does.
Take, for instance, the moon. Before 1966 no one had ever seen what was on the dark side of the moon. In 1965 would it have been more valid to assume that there was a 3x scale replica of Las Vegas sitting on the dark side of the moon, or that there wasn't?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Evidently you misheard me, I said stop being so one-eyed.
You probably didn't notice, for instance, that out of three swear words you listed me using in conversation with rush, that you apparently seem to think were so out of order, two were simply repeating rush's use of them earlier in the conversation (and the third was in response to an accusation so lazy and stupid that rush felt the need to apologise for it). You might well still think it's wrong of me to sink to that level, but it's funny that you'd give a free pass to the person that started the conversation on that level in the first place.
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