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jakee 1,594
QuoteNot at all. If you go from promordial goo to Homo sapien sapien it doesn't take much insight to acknowledge that a lot of work has been done. If anything the forces of nature favor states that are unorganized.
And yet we have matter, elements, stars, solar systems and galaxies. "Organized" systems making up pretty much the entire visible universe. Equating entropy with an increase in what you would consider to be disorder in all places all the time is a very dangerous thing to do. Because it's wrong.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,594
Quoteafter considering all of the information presented.
Don't flatter yourself son
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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It's just random chance. There is no force. There is no driving because there is no destination to be driven to. It just happened.
Nope, Shit Happens!, We are here by design
Alright, that is fine if that is what you want ot believe. If you believe that it is part of the theory of evolution then you believe wrongly.
If you believe in intelligent design then you are really begging the question.
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
maadmax 0
And yet we have matter, elements, stars, solar systems and galaxies. "Organized" systems making up pretty much the entire visible universe. Equating entropy with an increase in what you would consider to be disorder in all places all the time is a very dangerous thing to do. Because it's wrong.
Exactly, entropy as the overall controlling force of matter is wrong. Entropy is just the rubbish tin for Gods creative efforts.
jakee 1,594
QuoteExactly, entropy as the overall controlling force of matter is wrong. Entropy is just the rubbish tin for Gods creative efforts.
If you had ever demonstrated the slightest understanding of what any of the terms you've used here today actually meant, then you would at least have a basis from which to make that statement. As it is, you're just setting up and knocking down your own strawmen.
Now, if entropy meant whatever it is you think it means, then yes, it would be wrong (as would your imaginary 'evolutionary force'). Entropy as it's actual definition is understood by the scientific community... not so much.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
QuoteNot at all. If you go from promordial goo to Homo sapien sapien it doesn't take much insight to acknowledge that a lot of work has been done. If anything the forces of nature favor states that are unorganized.
It's just random chance. There is no force. There is no driving because there is no destination to be driven to. It just happened.
Nope, Shit Happens!, We are here by design
And if it didn't happen by random chance, we wouldn't be here to debate the question.
jaybird18c 24
QuoteAnd if it didn't happen by random chance, we wouldn't be here to debate the question.
How can evolution (in the New Darwinian Theory sense of the term; e.g. molecules-to-man) be real science? http://creation.com/is-evolution-scientific
maadmax 0
If you had ever demonstrated the slightest understanding of what any of the terms you've used here today actually meant, then you would at least have a basis from which to make that statement. As it is, you're just setting up and knocking down your own strawmen.
Now, if entropy meant whatever it is you think it means, then yes, it would be wrong (as would your imaginary 'evolutionary force'). Entropy as it's actual definition is understood by the .community... not so much.
Now, if entropy meant whatever it is you think it means, then yes, it would be wrong (as would your imaginary 'evolutionary force'). Entropy as it's actual definition is understood by the .community... not so much.
Ok if you insist.
"Thermodynamic entropy is a non-conserved state function that is of great importance in the sciences of physics and chemistry.Historically, the concept of entropy evolved in order to explain why some processes are spontaneous and others are not; systems tend to progress in the direction of increasing entropy. Entropy is as such a function of a system's tendency towards spontaneous change. For isolated systems, entropy never decreases.This fact has important consequences in science in that it suggests an arrow of time. Increases in entropy correspond to irreversible changes in a system, because some energy must be expended as waste heat, limiting the amount of work a system can do.
In statistical mechanics, entropy is essentially a measure of the number of ways in which a system may be arranged, often taken to be a measure of "disorder" (the higher the entropy, the higher the disorder). Specifically, this definition describes the entropy as being proportional to the logarithm of the number of possible microscopic configurations of the individual atoms and molecules of the system (microstates) which could give rise to the observed macroscopic state (macrostate) of the system. The constant of proportionality is the Boltzmann constant."
Pretty easy to comprehend.
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jakee 1,594
Congratulations, you've just demonstrated that you can use clipboard. Still no understanding though.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jaybird18c 24
QuoteI respect peoples views and I am really happy that prayer gives them inner peace. I am also happy for them, if they see their life ending early, as something that they can reconcile with their beliefs. Just don't tell people that it "always" works out.
I agree!
"God has a wonderful plan for your life:" Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
rushmc 23
QuoteCongratulations, you've just demonstrated that you can use clipboard. Still no understanding though.
You are funny when you end up getting bitch slapped
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
jakee 1,594
QuoteQuoteCongratulations, you've just demonstrated that you can use clipboard. Still no understanding though.
You are funny when you end up getting bitch slapped
You're funny when you don't get what's going on.
Explain to me, if you will, how cutting and pasting two paragraphs from wikipedia is sufficient to demonstrate actual comprehension of a concept.
(Y'know, I actually gave you enough credit that I thought you wouldn't be taken in by creationists, at least. Guess I was wrong about that
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)Do you want to have an ideagasm?
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteCongratulations, you've just demonstrated that you can use clipboard. Still no understanding though.
You are funny when you end up getting bitch slapped
You're funny when you don't get what's going on.
Explain to me, if you will, how cutting and pasting two paragraphs from wikipedia is sufficient to demonstrate actual comprehension of a concept.
(Y'know, I actually gave you enough credit that I thought you wouldn't be taken in by creationists, at least. Guess I was wrong about that)
You throw a brush back curve ball as a veiled PA and he hits it right back at ya and then you switch gears, directions and who know what the hell else and then claim they still don’t know anything ?
Is your picture next to arrogant liberal in the dictionary?
And then, AND THEN, you go off in another direction and tell me I have been taken in by someone when I have not even commented to it (another inside fastball veiled PA) to boot!!!???
What a great day!
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
winsor 236
QuoteThere's no "force" and no "driving." To use words and concepts like this is a sure sign that you do not understand the theory of evolution.
Not at all. If you go from promordial goo to Homo sapien sapien it doesn't take much insight to acknowledge that a lot of work has been done. If anything the forces of nature favor states that are unorganized.
So, in order to account for something that is so complex and vast that you deem its existence impossible in the absence of some decisive originating force, you postulate the existence of a driving force in the form an entity of orders of magnitude greater complexity and scope - that somehow exists in the absence of any decisive orginating force as the basis of its origin.
What could possibly be the flaw in that "logic?"
jakee 1,594
QuoteYou throw a brush back curve ball as a veiled PA and he hits it right back at ya and then you switch gears, directions and who know what the hell else and then claim they still don’t know anything ?
In a word... No. I've been entirely consistent, and you don't understand what's going on. Here's why:
Max uses some fucked up concept of entropy to try and make the point that the second law of thermodynamics contravenes evolution. This is not true, and it's a standard, and oft debunked creationist ploy. (It's important to note that this is not in debate at all. Thermodynamics does not contravene evolution as surely as gravity pulls downwards).
So, Max has demonstrated, in his own words, a non-understanding of the concept. I point out that he does not appear to understand the concept. He counters with a copy and paste from wikipedia.
Now, explain to me how copying and pasting two paragraphs from wikipedia demonstrates understanding of a concept. Come on bitch, I'm waiting.
QuoteAnd then, AND THEN, you go off in another direction and tell me I have been taken in by someone when I have not even commented to it
You have. If you think that Max has demonstrated any scientific understanding whatsoever here today then you have been taken in by one of the oldest creationist tricks in the book.
(Unless of course you haven;t actually read or paid attention to anything that's been said and you just replied because you wanted an argument with me personally, but that would just be sad.)
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteYou throw a brush back curve ball as a veiled PA and he hits it right back at ya and then you switch gears, directions and who know what the hell else and then claim they still don’t know anything ?
In a word... No. I've been entirely consistent, and you don't understand what's going on. Here's why:
Max uses some fucked up concept of entropy to try and make the point that the second law of thermodynamics contravenes evolution. This is not true, and it's a standard, and oft debunked creationist ploy. (It's important to note that this is not in debate at all. Thermodynamics does not contravene evolution as surely as gravity pulls downwards).
So, Max has demonstrated, in his own words, a non-understanding of the concept. I point out that he does not appear to understand the concept. He counters with a copy and paste from wikipedia.
Now, explain to me how copying and pasting two paragraphs from wikipedia demonstrates understanding of a concept. Come on bitch, I'm waiting.QuoteAnd then, AND THEN, you go off in another direction and tell me I have been taken in by someone when I have not even commented to it
You have. If you think that Max has demonstrated any scientific understanding whatsoever here today then you have been taken in by one of the oldest creationist tricks in the book.
(Unless of course you haven;t actually read or paid attention to anything that's been said and you just replied because you wanted an argument with me personally, but that would just be sad.)
Please
keep it coming
I responded to your belittling of him. Nothing more
You said he copied that from Wiki.?? Did he? I dont know
dont care
he dont agree with you so he is stupid
You have done the same to me
typical liberal responce
just like we all know Obama is just too smart to be President
That is why he is having problems
I am really looking forward to your next responce as I know you will be unable to help yourself
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
david3 0
Quote
In a word... No. I've been entirely consistent, and you don't understand what's going on. Here's why:
Max uses some fucked up concept of entropy to try and make the point that the second law of thermodynamics contravenes evolution. This is not true, and it's a standard, and oft debunked creationist ploy. (It's important to note that this is not in debate at all. Thermodynamics does not contravene evolution as surely as gravity pulls downwards).
So, Max has demonstrated, in his own words, a non-understanding of the concept. I point out that he does not appear to understand the concept. He counters with a copy and paste from wikipedia.
Now, explain to me how copying and pasting two paragraphs from wikipedia demonstrates understanding of a concept. Come on bitch, I'm waiting.QuoteAnd then, AND THEN, you go off in another direction and tell me I have been taken in by someone when I have not even commented to it
You have. If you think that Max has demonstrated any scientific understanding whatsoever here today then you have been taken in by one of the oldest creationist tricks in the book.
(Unless of course you haven;t actually read or paid attention to anything that's been said and you just replied because you wanted an argument with me personally, but that would just be sad.)
Please
keep it coming
I responded to your belittling of him. Nothing more
You said he copied that from Wiki.?? Did he? I dont know
dont care
he dont agree with you so he is stupid
You have done the same to me
typical liberal responce
just like we all know Obama is just too smart to be President
That is why he is having problems
I am really looking forward to your next responce as I know you will be unable to help yourself
So when you said "You are funny when you end up getting bitch slapped" you were responding to jakee belittling of him and nothing more. It doesn't read that way. Your use of the smiley faces make you look like an ass. No PA, just an observation.
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
In a word... No. I've been entirely consistent, and you don't understand what's going on. Here's why:
Max uses some fucked up concept of entropy to try and make the point that the second law of thermodynamics contravenes evolution. This is not true, and it's a standard, and oft debunked creationist ploy. (It's important to note that this is not in debate at all. Thermodynamics does not contravene evolution as surely as gravity pulls downwards).
So, Max has demonstrated, in his own words, a non-understanding of the concept. I point out that he does not appear to understand the concept. He counters with a copy and paste from wikipedia.
Now, explain to me how copying and pasting two paragraphs from wikipedia demonstrates understanding of a concept. Come on bitch, I'm waiting.QuoteAnd then, AND THEN, you go off in another direction and tell me I have been taken in by someone when I have not even commented to it
You have. If you think that Max has demonstrated any scientific understanding whatsoever here today then you have been taken in by one of the oldest creationist tricks in the book.
(Unless of course you haven;t actually read or paid attention to anything that's been said and you just replied because you wanted an argument with me personally, but that would just be sad.)
Please
keep it coming
I responded to your belittling of him. Nothing more
You said he copied that from Wiki.?? Did he? I dont know
dont care
he dont agree with you so he is stupid
You have done the same to me
typical liberal responce
just like we all know Obama is just too smart to be President
That is why he is having problems
I am really looking forward to your next responce as I know you will be unable to help yourself
So when you said "You are funny when you end up getting bitch slapped" you were responding to jakee belittling of him and nothing more. It doesn't read that way. Your use of the smiley faces make you look like an ass. No PA, just an observation.
.
That is all I was responding to
The smiley faces show my enjoyment as I get a kick out of the arrogance of some people
They cant have a debate cause anyone that disagrees with them is uneducated, stupid or ignorant and they treat them in a way that show their contempt.
Wendy is a good example of someone who shows respect in a debate. She gets respect in return
others want respect they need to show it too
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,107
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>Exactly, entropy as the overall controlling force of matter is wrong.
If that was really wrong you wouldn't be able to eat!
If that was really wrong you wouldn't be able to eat!
jakee 1,594
QuoteI responded to your belittling of him. Nothing more
It wasn't belittling, it was fact. He used scientific terms and concepts in a fashion that demonstrated that he didn't know what they meant.
The suggestion, for instance, that there needs to be a fundamental physical force that organises and drives evolution - that's wrong. There are no two ways about it and it's not a matter of opinion. I have no idea where you've got this overly PC notion that it's arrogant to point out when someone is factually wrong.
QuoteYou said he copied that from Wiki.?? Did he? I dont know
Exactly. You don't know. You haven't bothered to read the thread, you haven't bothered to follow the conversation, you've got no idea what we're actually talking about but nevertheless you just blindly waded in and threw out an accusation of 'bitch slapping'. So, again, please explain how copying and pasting two paragraphs from wikipedia demonstrates understanding or comprehension of a subject.
Quotehe dont agree with you so he is stupid
No, he used scientific terms and concepts in a way that demonstrates he does not understand those concepts. It may be because of stupidity, but equally it may be because his pre-existing bias, a lack of research or just gullibility (there are several organisations making a good living out of propogating those same misunderstandings). I make no judgement.
Quotetypical liberal responce
just like we all know Obama is just too smart to be President
Typical Rushmc inferiority complex response.
You may think it's un-PC and horribly rude to tell someone they're wrong, but here's the thing - it's not a judgement on your entire existence, so don't take it so ridiculously personally.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
rushmc 23
Please
show us all where the copy paste came from!
show us all where the copy paste came from!
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
quade 4
QuotePlease
show us all where the copy paste came from!
Dude, your Google skills must be awesome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy
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The World's Most Boring Skydiver
Not at all. If you go from promordial goo to Homo sapien sapien it doesn't take much insight to acknowledge that a lot of work has been done. If anything the forces of nature favor states that are unorganized.
It's just random chance. There is no force. There is no driving because there is no destination to be driven to. It just happened.
Nope, Shit Happens!, We are here by design
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