Andy9o8 2
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RonD1120 62
Kallend posted this link last week. I think it is a gem and would like all to read it.
The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney
The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteMaybe, but those who do not believe are every bit as vociferous and stubborn as are those who do believe. That is shown to be true during every religious debate on this site!
Well, it's bred not of zeal, but of frustration. For example, even though I'm no scientist, I know, from my fairly standard broad-based education, that dinosaur fossils are millions of years old. You know, carbon-dating and all that. So when I hear a grown adult in an industrialized country say that: No, in fact, those fossils are only 5,000 years old and were "planted" there by a spiritual entity: then Yes, I'm pretty darned stubborn in refusing to accept even the possibility that that might be correct.
This is not what I am talking about and neither were you a post ago
I do not agree with what was in your post either
But to your first point, again, maybe, but I see more zeal in the argument than frustration. At least when comparing both sides zeal, there is no difference
Don’t get me wrong
I am not defending or condemning either side. To me debating religion is an exercise in futility.
And to clear it up more so you know where I come from
I do not see religion or science being exclusive of each other
My view says they match up and compliment each other very well.
All is not known about the meaning of many religious passages and much is not known about the science of our world. When dealing with human “understanding” this is what we get
But that is just me
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
david3 0
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That's really not the case. I think, rather, that people who do have religious beliefs simply cannot fathom what it's like to not be that way, in one form or another; so instead, they characterize atheists' states of mind in terms most familiar to themselves.
Maybe, but those who do not believe are every bit as vociferous and stubborn as are those who do believe. That is shown to be true during every religious debate on this site!
That is why I see, that not believing, is a religion too.
So everybody who doesn’t believe has posted their views vociferously here? Or are you painting with a broad brush?
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
That's really not the case. I think, rather, that people who do have religious beliefs simply cannot fathom what it's like to not be that way, in one form or another; so instead, they characterize atheists' states of mind in terms most familiar to themselves.
Maybe, but those who do not believe are every bit as vociferous and stubborn as are those who do believe. That is shown to be true during every religious debate on this site!
That is why I see, that not believing, is a religion too.
So everybody who doesn’t believe has posted their views vociferously here? Or are you painting with a broad brush?
I am saying those who argue as strong against are no different than those who argue strong for
Regardless of whether someone argues or not however, I still see both sides being a religion of its own
Both take faith
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
david3 0
QuoteQuoteQuote
That's really not the case. I think, rather, that people who do have religious beliefs simply cannot fathom what it's like to not be that way, in one form or another; so instead, they characterize atheists' states of mind in terms most familiar to themselves.
Maybe, but those who do not believe are every bit as vociferous and stubborn as are those who do believe. That is shown to be true during every religious debate on this site!
That is why I see, that not believing, is a religion too.
So everybody who doesn’t believe has posted their views vociferously here? Or are you painting with a broad brush?
I am saying those who argue as strong against are no different than those who argue strong for
Regardless of whether someone argues or not however, I still see both sides being a religion of its own
Both take faith
Okay...
Andy9o8 2
QuoteBoth take faith
By definition, No. Atheism does not require faith. Atheism is not the intellectual presence of anything; it is simply an absence of any faith or belief in anything spiritual or supernatural. Nothing more.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteBoth take faith
By definition, No. Atheism does not require faith. Atheism is not the intellectual presence of anything; it is simply an absence of any faith or belief in anything spiritual or supernatural. Nothing more.
By defintion?
Ok
but
I still dont agree
Athiesm is the belief there is nothing there
both require a certain level of faith to sustain the belief
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
david3 0
What if they aren't atheists?QuoteQuoteQuoteBoth take faith
By definition, No. Atheism does not require faith. Atheism is not the intellectual presence of anything; it is simply an absence of any faith or belief in anything spiritual or supernatural. Nothing more.
By defintion?
Ok
but
I still dont agree
Athiesm is the belief there is nothing there
both require a certain level of faith to sustain the belief
.
wmw999 2,584
Well, I do see in general two kinds of atheists:There is no evidence in favor of a deity, I don't believe in one, next topic There is no God, absolutely none, and I'm going to do whatever is in my power to convince you of it.
That second one can come off an awful lot like faith.
Wendy P.
That second one can come off an awful lot like faith.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteQuoteBoth take faith
By definition, No. Atheism does not require faith. Atheism is not the intellectual presence of anything; it is simply an absence of any faith or belief in anything spiritual or supernatural. Nothing more.
By defintion?
Ok
but
I still dont agree
Athiesm is the belief there is nothing there
both require a certain level of faith to sustain the belief
I may be wrong but, I think Andy9o8 defines "faith" in a microcosmic sense, the same as he defines "sin" in a macrocosmic sense.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
david3 0
QuoteWell, I do see in general two kinds of atheists:
There is no evidence in favor of a deity, I don't believe in one, next topic There is no God, absolutely none, and I'm going to do whatever is in my power to convince you of it.
That second one can come off an awful lot like faith.
Wendy P.
What if they are just indifferent?
wmw999 2,584
That'd be closer to the first one.
Neat little boxes never fit everyone. Big messy boxes that fit everyone are hard to discuss. 
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
beowulf 1
QuoteQuoteQuoteBoth take faith
By definition, No. Atheism does not require faith. Atheism is not the intellectual presence of anything; it is simply an absence of any faith or belief in anything spiritual or supernatural. Nothing more.
By defintion?
Ok
but
I still dont agree
Athiesm is the belief there is nothing there
both require a certain level of faith to sustain the belief
I disagree.
Athiesm is the belief that there is nothing there because there is no evidence that there is anything. With out evidence faith is not needed.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBoth take faith
By definition, No. Atheism does not require faith. Atheism is not the intellectual presence of anything; it is simply an absence of any faith or belief in anything spiritual or supernatural. Nothing more.
By defintion?
Ok
but
I still dont agree
Athiesm is the belief there is nothing there
both require a certain level of faith to sustain the belief
I may be wrong but, I think Andy9o8 defines "faith" in a microcosmic sense, the same as he defines "sin" in a macrocosmic sense.
Could be but that is not my point
Either side is a type of religion IMO
That is all I am saying
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Well, it's bred not of zeal, but of frustration. For example, even though I'm no scientist, I know, from my fairly standard broad-based education, that dinosaur fossils are millions of years old. You know, carbon-dating and all that. So when I hear a grown adult in an industrialized country say that: No, in fact, those fossils are only 5,000 years old and were "planted" there by a spiritual entity: then Yes, I'm pretty darned stubborn in refusing to accept even the possibility that that might be correct.
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