Kennedy 0 #1 April 21, 2011 QuoteACLU: Michigan cops stealing drivers' phone data (Credit: Matt Hickey/Cellebrite) The Michigan State Police have started using handheld machines called "extraction devices" to download personal information from motorists they pull over, even if they're not suspected of any crime. Naturally, the ACLU has a problem with this. The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information. snip QuoteMichigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops ACLU seeks information on Michigan program that allows cops to download information from smart phones belonging to stopped motorists. The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. Snip This seems unreasonable to me (if drivers are not being given a choice). Courts have mixed rulings about searching and seizing electronic devices during detention or arrest without a warrant. I don't see how it would be legal for MSP officers to take mobile devices and download them against owners' wishes unless they were arrested or there was a search warrant. Thoughts? Viable legal defense of the practice? I'd hate to stand up in court and try to justify it to a judge.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 April 21, 2011 Seems like a horribly bad policy. There is a point and time when gathering this data would be needed, but people abusing it will generate case law that will ruin it for every body!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #3 April 21, 2011 Very bad policy, and I hope it gets shut down in the courts. The phones shouldn't be logging that information in the first place: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/04/20/apple-iphone-users-beware-location-tracking/ "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbrown 0 #4 April 21, 2011 [reply. This seems unreasonable to me (if drivers are not being given a choice). Courts have mixed rulings about searching and seizing electronic devices during detention or arrest without a warrant. I don't see how it would be legal for MSP officers to take mobile devices and download them against owners' wishes unless they were arrested or there was a search warrant. Thoughts?Quote My thought is that anyone who stands still and allows the cop to take their shit and download it is a true Christian. It would be pretty simple to waste some forty-seven cops in one night. Thing is they have families and they too are Gods' kids. Peace, Jim B Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #5 April 21, 2011 Quotepeople abusing it will generate case law that will ruin it for every body! I was thinking the same thing.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #6 April 21, 2011 As a kid in 1954 I saw the BBC production of "1984". No-one believed it back then. It was just fantasy. It really has come to pass, what with surveillance cameras everywhere, body scanners at the airports, traffic light cameras, etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #7 April 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteACLU: Michigan cops stealing drivers' phone data (Credit: Matt Hickey/Cellebrite) The Michigan State Police have started using handheld machines called "extraction devices" to download personal information from motorists they pull over, even if they're not suspected of any crime. Naturally, the ACLU has a problem with this. The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information. snip QuoteMichigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops ACLU seeks information on Michigan program that allows cops to download information from smart phones belonging to stopped motorists. The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. Snip This seems unreasonable to me (if drivers are not being given a choice). Courts have mixed rulings about searching and seizing electronic devices during detention or arrest without a warrant. I don't see how it would be legal for MSP officers to take mobile devices and download them against owners' wishes unless they were arrested or there was a search warrant. Thoughts? Viable legal defense of the practice? I'd hate to stand up in court and try to justify it to a judge. Reminds me of the conversation I had some time back with a FDLE supervisor. We were discussing expunged court records. He said he could view any court record but he could not use these records as evidence. What he could do is look for clues that would lead to new evidence. In other words, personal, sealed, obscure data is used to create a trail to evidence of a crime. If you lead a life of criminal activity, you need to get smarter about covering your tracks. Andy9o8 et.al. needs to weigh in on this subject.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #8 April 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteACLU: Michigan cops stealing drivers' phone data (Credit: Matt Hickey/Cellebrite) The Michigan State Police have started using handheld machines called "extraction devices" to download personal information from motorists they pull over, even if they're not suspected of any crime. Naturally, the ACLU has a problem with this. The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information. snip QuoteMichigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops ACLU seeks information on Michigan program that allows cops to download information from smart phones belonging to stopped motorists. The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. Snip This seems unreasonable to me (if drivers are not being given a choice). Courts have mixed rulings about searching and seizing electronic devices during detention or arrest without a warrant. I don't see how it would be legal for MSP officers to take mobile devices and download them against owners' wishes unless they were arrested or there was a search warrant. Thoughts? Viable legal defense of the practice? I'd hate to stand up in court and try to justify it to a judge. Complete Government control in all aspects of our lives is a good thing, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #9 April 27, 2011 State police: Cell phone data only taken with consent, warrant Well, they are saying their policy is such that it is morally and legally defensible. I hope that is the policy and that their officers are following it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Kennedy 0 #5 April 21, 2011 Quotepeople abusing it will generate case law that will ruin it for every body! I was thinking the same thing.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #6 April 21, 2011 As a kid in 1954 I saw the BBC production of "1984". No-one believed it back then. It was just fantasy. It really has come to pass, what with surveillance cameras everywhere, body scanners at the airports, traffic light cameras, etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #7 April 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteACLU: Michigan cops stealing drivers' phone data (Credit: Matt Hickey/Cellebrite) The Michigan State Police have started using handheld machines called "extraction devices" to download personal information from motorists they pull over, even if they're not suspected of any crime. Naturally, the ACLU has a problem with this. The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information. snip QuoteMichigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops ACLU seeks information on Michigan program that allows cops to download information from smart phones belonging to stopped motorists. The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. Snip This seems unreasonable to me (if drivers are not being given a choice). Courts have mixed rulings about searching and seizing electronic devices during detention or arrest without a warrant. I don't see how it would be legal for MSP officers to take mobile devices and download them against owners' wishes unless they were arrested or there was a search warrant. Thoughts? Viable legal defense of the practice? I'd hate to stand up in court and try to justify it to a judge. Reminds me of the conversation I had some time back with a FDLE supervisor. We were discussing expunged court records. He said he could view any court record but he could not use these records as evidence. What he could do is look for clues that would lead to new evidence. In other words, personal, sealed, obscure data is used to create a trail to evidence of a crime. If you lead a life of criminal activity, you need to get smarter about covering your tracks. Andy9o8 et.al. needs to weigh in on this subject.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #8 April 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteACLU: Michigan cops stealing drivers' phone data (Credit: Matt Hickey/Cellebrite) The Michigan State Police have started using handheld machines called "extraction devices" to download personal information from motorists they pull over, even if they're not suspected of any crime. Naturally, the ACLU has a problem with this. The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information. snip QuoteMichigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops ACLU seeks information on Michigan program that allows cops to download information from smart phones belonging to stopped motorists. The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. Snip This seems unreasonable to me (if drivers are not being given a choice). Courts have mixed rulings about searching and seizing electronic devices during detention or arrest without a warrant. I don't see how it would be legal for MSP officers to take mobile devices and download them against owners' wishes unless they were arrested or there was a search warrant. Thoughts? Viable legal defense of the practice? I'd hate to stand up in court and try to justify it to a judge. Complete Government control in all aspects of our lives is a good thing, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #9 April 27, 2011 State police: Cell phone data only taken with consent, warrant Well, they are saying their policy is such that it is morally and legally defensible. I hope that is the policy and that their officers are following it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
