UK Tourist Murdered in FL

[Kennedy 0]

British Tourists Shot in FL

Britons Killed in FL as Part of Gang Initiation?

Poll:
So the fault lies with...

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[RonD1120 62]

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British Tourists Shot in FL

Britons Killed in FL as Part of Gang Initiation?

Poll:
So the fault lies with...

The ultimate responsibility rests on the shooter(s).

I've been tossing this around in my mind since I heard about it on the radio. I am not a big world traveler but, I've been around the block a couple times. I've never gone out on the town without knowing how I'm planning to get home. Why would these Brits get into a strange vehicle with a stranger or strangers? If scoring drugs wasn't the motivation what was? Just dumb I guess.

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[nigel99 617]

A couple of years ago I got lost in Orlando. I stopped and asked a cop car for directions and they told us to get out of the area with some haste as it was not safe.

As a generalization I would say that we don't have much violent crime here in the UK so it doesn't really compute that you have to be extra vigilant.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[RonD1120 62]

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A couple of years ago I got lost in Orlando. I stopped and asked a cop car for directions and they told us to get out of the area with some haste as it was not safe.

As a generalization I would say that we don't have much violent crime here in the UK so it doesn't really compute that you have to be extra vigilant.

I understand and, you aren't allowed to carry a concealed weapon either.

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[captain1976 0]

Rule 1, stay out of minority neighborhoods. You are asking for trouble.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Rule 1, stay out of minority neighborhoods. You are asking for trouble.

Tough rule to follow in, say, DC or El Paso, where the minority neighborhoods are... well, if you've ever been confronted by a gangful of preppies, you'll know it ain't pretty. They'll slit your throat just for the pennies in your loafers.

[billvon 3,116]

>Rule 1, stay out of minority neighborhoods.

I know! Just last night I drove into Rancho Santa Fe, and all those white people started ogling my Honda Civic. I felt very unsafe. I didn't stop sweating until I got to Escondido and saw the streets filled with Hispanics.

[captain1976 0]

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>Rule 1, stay out of minority neighborhoods.

I know! Just last night I drove into Rancho Santa Fe, and all those white people started ogling my Honda Civic. I felt very unsafe. I didn't stop sweating until I got to Escondido and saw the streets filled with Hispanics.

You wouldn't feel unsafe if you had a gun ready and a willingness to shoot anyone in the face that tried to take your property.

You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime

[billvon 3,116]

>You wouldn't feel unsafe if you had a gun ready and a willingness to shoot anyone in
>the face that tried to take your property.

Anyone who feels safe because they have a gun to "shoot people in the face" is an idiot.

[nigel99 617]

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Why would these Brits get into a strange vehicle with a stranger or strangers? If scoring drugs wasn't the motivation what was? Just dumb I guess.

Part of this is culture. I grew up jumping into strangers cars without a second thought. It was not in the UK and a relatively small community so actually very safe. Also don't forget that in the places like London a lot of people simply don't own cars, so not having a vehicle may have seemed logical to them. Maybe they caught a cab to the place, saw how expensive it was and were offered a free lift.

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[rehmwa 2]

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>You wouldn't feel unsafe if you had a gun ready and a willingness to shoot anyone in
>the face that tried to take your property.

Anyone who feels safe because they have a gun to "shoot people in the face" is an idiot.

is this pretty much a binary statement? or is there degrees of implementation, or some kind of cut off point.

what if they felt "statistically significantly -less unsafe- if they had a gun to shoot people in the face"?

is that ok?

how about feeling "safer if they had a gun to shoot into their dog kennel" or "safe if they had a stick or piece of fruit to brandish menacingly"? maybe "I feel safe when I can calmly sing show tunes to thieves long enough confuse them so I can grab my stuff and go hide in a dumpster until they turn away in disgust"

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[rehmwa 2]

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You wouldn't feel unsafe if you had a gun ready and a willingness to shoot anyone in the face that tried to take your property.

yet, if I had a gun and no bullets, I'd just feel silly and my pants would sag from the weight of the gun -

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I grew up jumping into strangers cars without a second thought.

See, this is emblematic of how you and I are separated by a common language.
In the US, we call that "carjacking".

[nigel99 617]

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I grew up jumping into strangers cars without a second thought.

See, this is emblematic of how you and I are separated by a common language.
In the US, we call that "carjacking".

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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I grew up jumping into strangers cars without a second thought.

See, this is emblematic of how you and I are separated by a common language.
In the US, we call that "carjacking".

or prostitution.

[wayneflorida 0]

The background of this 16 year old yut will probably be very predictable.

[freethefly 6]

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Rule 1, stay out of minority neighborhoods. You are asking for trouble.

All of the years I lived on a rail car we almost always tied up in the poorest parts of towns we rolled into. For some odd reasons rail yards tend to be in blighted areas. However, we never had any trouble with anyone. Often, we were the only pale faces in the local bars. Never asked to leave. On the other hand, we tended to get eighty-sixed from the upper scale establishments (probably for good reasons )

You should check out some of the black blues clubs in East St. Louis.

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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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[Kennedy 0]

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Rule 1, stay out of minority neighborhoods. You are asking for trouble.

Define "minority neighborhood".

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[Skyrad 0]

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I grew up jumping into strangers cars without a second thought.

See, this is emblematic of how you and I are separated by a common language.
In the US, we call that "carjacking".

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[muff528 3]

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Rule 1, stay out of minority neighborhoods. You are asking for trouble.

I live in a predominantly "minority" neighborhood. Probably 95% Hispanic and Black. (Does that make them the "majority"?) No problems here beyond the "normal" noise level of crime in the area in general. There is known "gang activity" nearby (and maybe even within this neighborhood) but nobody I know here participates. About half of the population here is transient and the rest are long time residents.

[DaVinci 0]

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So the fault lies with...

The shooter.

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The judge/legal system: "The 16-year-old charged with murdering the two Britons was freed by a judge two weeks ago after he was arrested over an armed robbery."

What in the hell is a violent criminal being released for????

[Zep 0]

One solution to this kind of problem would be that all foreign tourists
have a concealed gun carry permit for the duration of their stay built into their visa.
Airports could have gun hire shops for foriegn arrivals.

Gone fishing

[DanG 1]

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What in the hell is a violent criminal being released for????

You have insisted numerous times, for instance in the Alcohol Detectors in Cars thread, that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is sacrosanct. Unfortunately, that principle applies to everyone, even accused armed robbers.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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What in the hell is a violent criminal being released for????

Because when he was released he wasn't a violent criminal.

[kelpdiver 2]

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What in the hell is a violent criminal being released for????

Because when he was released he wasn't a violent criminal.

"He had been charged with aggravated assault after shots were fired in an attempted robbery two weeks ago.

However, he was released while police carried out further inquiries. "

unfortunately, the UK newspapers were a bit imprecise in their writings here. If he was charged with this crime, then he should have been held. If instead he was merely arrested/detained for questioning for this action, and for the time being released, then you are correct. (though in hindsight, it would appear more probable that he was in fact involved in the earlier incident)