kelpdiver 2 #26 April 18, 2011 Quote And it's perfectly legal - coming to a point sometime soon? QuoteBut there's absolutely no truth to the idea that GE/US is unprofitable while the non US portion is making a fortune. Wow - so a loss year means the corp is unprofitable, now? Hyperbole much? By definition, losing money means unprofitable. Hyperbole is pretending that GE's not gaming the system. It true - they have an obligation to their shareholders. But this sort of behavior leads to legislative changes, so it might be short term thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 April 18, 2011 QuoteQuote And it's perfectly legal - coming to a point sometime soon? QuoteBut there's absolutely no truth to the idea that GE/US is unprofitable while the non US portion is making a fortune. Wow - so a loss year means the corp is unprofitable, now? Hyperbole much? By definition, losing money means unprofitable. Hyperbole is pretending that GE's not gaming the system. It true - they have an obligation to their shareholders. But this sort of behavior leads to legislative changes, so it might be short term thinking. How is following the tax laws 'gaming the system', pray tell? As for legislative changes, I refer you back to the examples of New Jersey and Maryland - the rich and large companies *can* afford to move away from excessive taxes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #28 April 18, 2011 >How is following the tax laws 'gaming the system', pray tell? "Gaming the system" is a term used to describe the process whereby someone uses existing rules to manipulate a system for personal gain, often damaging the system in the process. For example: Let's say you want to get really close to a tandem under canopy to video your girlfriend. The TM says "no." You get a big canopy, jump on the same load, get under them and float upwards to get near them. The TM tries to avoid you but you stay under him. After you land, and the TM and S+TA get on your ass, you claim "but the low canopy has right of way! The BSR's clearly state that the TM was violating the rules, and I was in the right." Technically you are correct - but you are gaming the rules to get what you want and ignoring the intent of the rules (to provide safe separation between canopies.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 April 19, 2011 Quote>How is following the tax laws 'gaming the system', pray tell? "Gaming the system" is a term used to describe the process whereby someone uses existing rules to manipulate a system for personal gain, often damaging the system in the process. For example: Let's say you want to get really close to a tandem under canopy to video your girlfriend. The TM says "no." You get a big canopy, jump on the same load, get under them and float upwards to get near them. The TM tries to avoid you but you stay under him. After you land, and the TM and S+TA get on your ass, you claim "but the low canopy has right of way! The BSR's clearly state that the TM was violating the rules, and I was in the right." Technically you are correct - but you are gaming the rules to get what you want and ignoring the intent of the rules (to provide safe separation between canopies.) Non-sequitur - if you're a fun jumper in Thailand you're going to follow PIA and not USPA. If you're an overseas business segment, you're going to pay taxes to the host country. GE's US operations lost 408 million last year, which wiped out their tax bill to Uncle Sam.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #30 April 19, 2011 It is truly amazing how you continue to justify the unjustifiable.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 April 19, 2011 Quote It is truly amazing how you continue to justify the unjustifiable. So show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #32 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuote It is truly amazing how you continue to justify the unjustifiable. So show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? You don't have to break any laws to behave unethically and antisocially. Not that you would understand.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote It is truly amazing how you continue to justify the unjustifiable. So show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? You don't have to break any laws to behave unethically and antisocially. Not that you would understand. Taking deductions that are allowed is now behaving unethically and antisocially? How much money did you give back to fed.gov, perfesser? After all, it's apparently unethical and antisocial to not do that. It appears that your understanding of business is on par with your understanding of gun laws - nonexistent.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #34 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It is truly amazing how you continue to justify the unjustifiable. So show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? You don't have to break any laws to behave unethically and antisocially. Not that you would understand. Taking deductions that are allowed is now behaving unethically and antisocially? How much money did you give back to fed.gov, perfesser? After all, it's apparently unethical and antisocial to not do that. It appears that your understanding of business is on par with your understanding of gun laws - nonexistent. Apparently I gave the federal govt. more than GE did. As I wrote, I wouldn't expect you to understand.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It is truly amazing how you continue to justify the unjustifiable. So show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? You don't have to break any laws to behave unethically and antisocially. Not that you would understand. Taking deductions that are allowed is now behaving unethically and antisocially? How much money did you give back to fed.gov, perfesser? After all, it's apparently unethical and antisocial to not do that. It appears that your understanding of business is on par with your understanding of gun laws - nonexistent. Apparently I gave the federal govt. more than GE did. Translation: I took every deduction I could. QuoteAs I wrote, I wouldn't expect you to understand. Good - just like I don't expect you to understand business principles or firearms law.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #36 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It is truly amazing how you continue to justify the unjustifiable. So show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? You don't have to break any laws to behave unethically and antisocially. Not that you would understand. Taking deductions that are allowed is now behaving unethically and antisocially? How much money did you give back to fed.gov, perfesser? After all, it's apparently unethical and antisocial to not do that. It appears that your understanding of business is on par with your understanding of gun laws - nonexistent. Apparently I gave the federal govt. more than GE did. Translation: I took every deduction I could. You should ask for your money back at mindreading school, you didn't learn anything.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 April 19, 2011 QuoteYou should ask for your money back at mindreading school, you didn't learn anything. Sorry - I was giving your telepathy/future crime machine a tryout. Guess it doesn't work as well as you think it does.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #38 April 19, 2011 " last week's federal budget deal, which calls for spending cuts of about $38 billion. In comparison, tax breaks for the wealthy will cost the government $42 billion during this fiscal year" according to Michael Linden, director for tax and budget policy at the Center for American Progress. Great policy, isn't it. Even the $38Bn is largely smoke and mirrors, yet still the Republicans want the very rich to have even more.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #39 April 19, 2011 Quote" last week's federal budget deal, which calls for spending cuts of about $38 billion. In comparison, tax breaks for the wealthy will cost the government $42 billion during this fiscal year" according to Michael Linden, director for tax and budget policy at the Center for American Progress. Great policy, isn't it. Even the $38Bn is largely smoke and mirrors, yet still the Republicans want the very rich to have even more. And they had to fight the Dems tooth and nail to get that much - congrats on being part of the new "Party of No".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #40 April 19, 2011 QuoteSo show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? I have seen you use this 'perfesser' language several times. It's a cheap shot and it makes you look small every time you use it.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? I have seen you use this 'perfesser' language several times. It's a cheap shot and it makes you look small every time you use it. And I should care about YOUR opinion *why*, again? You certainly don't seem to care when he trots out *his* cheap shots.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #42 April 19, 2011 Quote Quote So show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? I have seen you use this 'perfesser' language several times. It's a cheap shot and it makes you look small every time you use it. that's because he is very small (and very ignorant as he can't spell his own language)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #43 April 19, 2011 QuoteAnd it's perfectly legal - coming to a point sometime soon? This part of the conversation started with somebody complaining that the US has the second highest corporate tax rates in the world, second only to Japan according to that poster. These examples were laid out to show the effective tax rate for the largest corporations is nothing like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #44 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo show me the tax laws they broke, perfesser - or were you talking to your mirror? I have seen you use this 'perfesser' language several times. It's a cheap shot and it makes you look small every time you use it. And I should care about YOUR opinion *why*, again? You certainly don't seem to care when he trots out *his* cheap shots. My opinion is likely shared by other people and I wanted you to know how you are perceived. Accusing me of a double standard does nothing to mitigate other people's perception of you.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 April 19, 2011 QuoteAccusing me of a double standard does nothing to mitigate other people's perception of you. Then by all means, show your posts where you get on kallend about *his* cheap shots at me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #46 April 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteAccusing me of a double standard does nothing to mitigate other people's perception of you. Then by all means, show your posts where you get on kallend about *his* cheap shots at me. Show my posts where I call you a silly name.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 April 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Accusing me of a double standard does nothing to mitigate other people's perception of you. Then by all means, show your posts where you get on kallend about *his* cheap shots at me. Show my posts where I call you a silly name. Now John... you know that is my job, please do not usurp my fun at pissing off Mikeeeeeeee and his fellow travellers with silly names Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #48 April 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Accusing me of a double standard does nothing to mitigate other people's perception of you. Then by all means, show your posts where you get on kallend about *his* cheap shots at me. Show my posts where I call you a silly name. Now John... you know that is my job, please do not usurp my fun at pissing off Mikeeeeeeee and his fellow travellers with silly names Actually, it's usually sad laughter at the inanity - but you go ahead and believe whatever gets you through the day, Jeanne.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #49 April 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Accusing me of a double standard does nothing to mitigate other people's perception of you. Then by all means, show your posts where you get on kallend about *his* cheap shots at me. Show my posts where I call you a silly name. Now John... you know that is my job, please do not usurp my fun at pissing off Mikeeeeeeee and his fellow travellers with silly names Actually, it's usually sad laughter at the inanity - but you go ahead and believe whatever gets you through the day, Jeanne. Hey I need the diversions from my very well paid job here in the good ole USofA. But I do enjoy all of you and your fellow travellers who BELIEVE your BIG TRICKLE FROM ABOVE.... will happen any day now.. Now run along.... and keep up the mantra I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #50 April 19, 2011 Quote the demonstrators in egypt didn't have weapons... Yes, thank God only 846 people were killed and more than 6,000 wounded. http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFLDE73I1M120110419 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
