More from the "Religion of Peace" (TM) - Indonesian Woman Caned for "Having An Affair"

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Hadjii is both hypocrite and douchebag.

Story via Daily Mail

One wonders: How would liberals react if Christians did such things (please note that this is being conducted by the fucking POLICE)? Is it simply because we don't expect better conduct from these vermin?

Edit to add - kindly show me where this kind of brutality is conducted by the police anywhere in the West. Surprise me. Go ahead.

Edit 2: eliminated "Department of Redundancy Department" drivel from title

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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So, you're saying that Christians don't beat and abuse women? Maybe you have forgotten about the mass sexual abuse that the Catholic church has been trying to cover up for decades?
Hell, Christians are no better than any other group.
All religions suck.

Googled this for you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=645&q=abuse+in+the+christian+church&btnG=Google+Search#sclient=psy&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=645&q=pastor+convicted+beating&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b0bf4246465f16a2

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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So, you're saying that Christians don't beat and abuse women? Maybe you have forgotten about the mass sexual abuse that the Catholic church has been trying to cover up for decades?
Hell, Christians are no better than any other group.
All religions suck.

Googled this for you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=645&q=abuse+in+the+christian+church&btnG=Google+Search#sclient=psy&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=645&q=pastor+convicted+beating&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b0bf4246465f16a2

Can't you READ?

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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It is a shame that Indonesia isn't more liberal.

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I can read. Just saying that they are no different than many of the devout Christians whom beat their women and children in the name of God.
Besides, she knew what the law was before she messed around (regardless if she was getting a divorce or not.) The same with the guy she messed with.
Their country, their law.
Why not complain about the abuse that happens here in America? Police beatings are common. Why not be concerned with those who have been wrongly convicted? ( http://www.innocenceproject.org/ America is a lock-em up and throw away the key society. We have the largest prison population in the world. I'd take a cane beating over years in prison any day. Her and her boyfriend got off easy.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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If it were legal in the US to stone your wife to death for getting raped, would that make us a better or worse place?

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Her and her boyfriend got off easy.

She was asking for it, right?

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

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If it were legal in the US to stone your wife to death for getting raped, would that make us a better or worse place?

There was a time when beating and raping ones wife was overlooked in this country. In some areas, it is still overlooked.
Fact is, they knew the law and chose to ignore it. That does not make beating a person right. However, until the people in these countries decide to do something about the law they live under, the beatings will continue.

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Now go ahead and avoid that question by bashing the US and Christianity, that seems to be your MO.

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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Have you drank the entire mug of cultural relativism kool aid yet? Probably.

No, I haven't. i think I'll jump on my bad ass American made Harley-Davidson and go get me an American made Mountain Dew. These pretzels are really making me thirsty.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

There's a big difference in having laws on the books that are ignored, versus having the government actually whipping you in public for moral 'crimes.'

And a guest is still free to point out that women's rights are at 19th Century norms.

[popsjumper 2]

Low tolerance for religious differences, eh?


Noses in other people's bidnezz

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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If it were legal in the US to stone your wife to death for getting raped, would that make us a better or worse place?

There was a time when beating and raping ones wife was overlooked in this country. In some areas, it is still overlooked.

No, I said stoning your wife to death. I guess if the question is too hard for you to answer you change it.

You should stick to eating pretzels and stop doing things like tough things like voting.

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

There's a big difference in having laws on the books that are ignored, versus having the government actually whipping you in public for moral 'crimes.'

And a guest is still free to point out that women's rights are at 19th Century norms.

More like 7th Century.

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

There's a big difference in having laws on the books that are ignored, versus having the government actually whipping you in public for moral 'crimes.'

And a guest is still free to point out that women's rights are at 19th Century norms.

More like 7th Century.

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Mark there are PLENTY of communities right here in America... where a man's "cloak of protection" has been extended to their women folk and it does not quite work out as you would LIKE to BELIEVE for those women.

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

There's a big difference in having laws on the books that are ignored, versus having the government actually whipping you in public for moral 'crimes.'

And a guest is still free to point out that women's rights are at 19th Century norms.

More like 7th Century.

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Mark there are PLENTY of communities right here in America... where a man's "cloak of protection" has been extended to their women folk and it does not quite work out as you would LIKE to BELIEVE for those women.

Once again, please show me where this is done ANYWHERE IN THE WEST UNDER COLOR OF LAW.

Betcha can't.

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

There's a big difference in having laws on the books that are ignored, versus having the government actually whipping you in public for moral 'crimes.'

And a guest is still free to point out that women's rights are at 19th Century norms.

More like 7th Century.

mh
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Mark there are PLENTY of communities right here in America... where a man's "cloak of protection" has been extended to their women folk and it does not quite work out as you would LIKE to BELIEVE for those women.

Once again, please show me where this is done ANYWHERE IN THE WEST UNDER COLOR OF LAW.

Betcha can't.

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I suppose those communities in Utah that like to give the 13 or 14 year old daughters to the creepy old church elders as "wives" don't count... when and if any of those "wives" try to leave. Most of those LEO types in those places look out for the elders.. not those "wives"

There are others as well. Ya can't have property runnin off ya know.

Seek and ye shall find

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I suppose those communities in Utah that like to give the 13 or 14 year old daughters to the creepy old church elders as "wives" don't count... when and if any of those "wives" try to leave. Most of those LEO types in those places look out for the elders.. not those "wives"

Nope, not good enough; none of the other examples are. It has to be police officers with the rank of corporal using canes of 32 inches with their left hands on Tuesday. So I guess our rebuttals just fail.

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

Maybe he's just frustrated and scared of getting a whipping for being so horny for his neighbor's wife.
Just wonderin'.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

There's a big difference in having laws on the books that are ignored, versus having the government actually whipping you in public for moral 'crimes.'

And a guest is still free to point out that women's rights are at 19th Century norms.

More like 7th Century.

mh
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Mark there are PLENTY of communities right here in America... where a man's "cloak of protection" has been extended to their women folk and it does not quite work out as you would LIKE to BELIEVE for those women.

Once again, please show me where this is done ANYWHERE IN THE WEST UNDER COLOR OF LAW.

Betcha can't.

mh
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I suppose those communities in Utah that like to give the 13 or 14 year old daughters to the creepy old church elders as "wives" don't count... when and if any of those "wives" try to leave. Most of those LEO types in those places look out for the elders.. not those "wives"

There are others as well. Ya can't have property runnin off ya know.

Seek and ye shall find

Speculation, not facts.

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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No, I said stoning your wife to death. I guess if the question is too hard for you to answer you change it.

Stoning has and does occur, right here in the U.S.. Thankfully, most of us don't take the laws of God that seriously and we have our own law against stoning.
Besides, if a man or woman is being stoned to death for adultery, it is only Gods will that it be done.
Now, I do not support nor condone stoning, I am merely pointing out that bibles of most popular religions support and condone stoning as it is Gods law that it be done. How dare anyone to go against Gods will.
Can't say that was the old book and all is well in the new book as Jesus says: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"
So, by all means, if you do not want to piss off the Big Guy in the Sky, throw a stone. You just might win a prize.

I am, also an atheist and I think that the bible is bullshit.

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You should stick to eating pretzels and stop doing things like tough things like voting.

You should take a course in proper grammar and punctuation. That sentence is horrendous!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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There are some states in the US in which adultery, fornication, sodomy and/or homosexual sex are, today, still criminal offenses. Only until very recent years, using an artificial birth control device, even by married couples, in Ireland or Italy could get you jailed.

Yeah, we know you hate Muslims. So why do you make your living in their countries? Not a very polite guest, are you?

There's a big difference in having laws on the books that are ignored, versus having the government actually whipping you in public for moral 'crimes.'

And a guest is still free to point out that women's rights are at 19th Century norms.

More like 7th Century.

mh
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Mark there are PLENTY of communities right here in America... where a man's "cloak of protection" has been extended to their women folk and it does not quite work out as you would LIKE to BELIEVE for those women.

Once again, please show me where this is done ANYWHERE IN THE WEST UNDER COLOR OF LAW.

Betcha can't.

mh
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I suppose those communities in Utah that like to give the 13 or 14 year old daughters to the creepy old church elders as "wives" don't count... when and if any of those "wives" try to leave. Most of those LEO types in those places look out for the elders.. not those "wives"

There are others as well. Ya can't have property runnin off ya know.

Seek and ye shall find

Speculation, not facts.

mh
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Out of sight.. out of Mind Mark...we get it... really...

Anywhere that fundamentalists bludgeon any group.. because their BOOK says it is ok to do so, is wrong... no matter how much you wish to turn a blind eye to it. Women are a favored target across the world. It really is too bad you are incapable of seeing past those blinders.

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Anywhere that fundamentalists bludgeon any group.. because their BOOK says it is ok to do so, is wrong... no matter how much you wish to turn a blind eye to it. Women are a favored target across the world. It really is too bad you are incapable of seeing past those blinders.

Crimes against women and children is quite common in the Amish and Mennonite communities. More than often, violence, including sexual abuse and rape go unreported. Women are subservient in fundamentalist societies. The men make the rules and enforce those rules. They also control what the outside world sees. What we don't know is what hasn't been reported.
Even in open communities abuses go unreported or are overlooked.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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.......ANYWHERE IN THE WEST UNDER COLOR OF LAW.

Betcha can't.

mh
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I suppose those communities in Utah that like to give the 13 or 14 year old daughters to the creepy old church elders as "wives" don't count... when and if any of those "wives" try to leave. Most of those LEO types in those places look out for the elders.. not those "wives"

There are others as well. Ya can't have property runnin off ya know.

Seek and ye shall find

Speculation, not facts.

mh
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Out of sight.. out of Mind Mark...we get it... really...

Anywhere that fundamentalists bludgeon any group.. because their BOOK says it is ok to do so, is wrong... no matter how much you wish to turn a blind eye to it. Women are a favored target across the world. It really is too bad you are incapable of seeing past those blinders.

Of course it is not only wrong, but it also violates the law (...of the land, not the book) which I'm guessing is the point Mark was getting at if I am understanding his post correctly.

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.......ANYWHERE IN THE WEST UNDER COLOR OF LAW.

Betcha can't.

mh
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I suppose those communities in Utah that like to give the 13 or 14 year old daughters to the creepy old church elders as "wives" don't count... when and if any of those "wives" try to leave. Most of those LEO types in those places look out for the elders.. not those "wives"

There are others as well. Ya can't have property runnin off ya know.

Seek and ye shall find

Speculation, not facts.

mh
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Out of sight.. out of Mind Mark...we get it... really...

Anywhere that fundamentalists bludgeon any group.. because their BOOK says it is ok to do so, is wrong... no matter how much you wish to turn a blind eye to it. Women are a favored target across the world. It really is too bad you are incapable of seeing past those blinders.

Of course it is not only wrong, but it also violates the law (...of the land, not the book) which I'm guessing is the point Mark was getting at if I am understanding his post correctly.

As happens in MANY jurisdictions.. local LEO have different ways of handling those laws. If your 14 year old "wife" runs away... do you
really want to contend that the "LAW" is there to protect her from her 60 year old "husband" or do you think the local officers will return her to her abuser???

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No, I said stoning your wife to death. I guess if the question is too hard for you to answer you change it.

Stoning has and does occur, right here in the U.S..

Of course you still have not answered my original question.

I'll post it again because you've been trying to obfuscate the point.

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If it were legal in the US to stone your wife to death for getting raped, would that make us a better or worse place?

Now, just answer the question.

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I am, also an atheist and I think that the bible is bullshit.

Great , me too. Want a cookie?

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You should stick to eating pretzels and stop doing things like tough things like voting.

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You should take a course in proper grammar and punctuation. That sentence is horrendous!

Dealing with you makes me add words. Forgive me.

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Friday, March 18, 2011
Exorcism killed child
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110317/NEWS/103170317
Report: Nantucket child killed in exorcism
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Toys are scattered on the lawn Wednesday at 13B Pine Tree Road, where 3-year-old Nicole Garcia was killed on Monday, according to police.

Cape Cod Times

March 17, 2011 NANTUCKET — The woman accused of killing her 3-year-old daughter earlier this week believed God had instructed her to stick a rose in the young girl's throat to ward off the devil, according to documents filed in Nantucket District Court.

Dora Alicia Tejada Pleitez, 26, of 13B Pine Tree Road was held without bail pending a mental competency hearing following her arraignment Tuesday on a murder charge. She was taken off the island Tuesday for the evaluation and is scheduled to appear in Nantucket District Court on Monday for a pretrial hearing.

Officers found Pleitez's daughter, Nicole Garcia, lying on a table inside the home and attempted to resuscitate her until paramedics arrived.

The girl was taken to Nantucket Cottage Hospital, where she was pronounced dead at about 1:18 p.m.

During an interview shortly after Garcia's death, Pleitez, who is originally from El Salvador, began singing and praying, telling investigators through a Spanish interpreter that the Holy Spirit could speak through her.