Who Failed

[billvon 3,120]

>If found guilty, should he go to adult prison?

Depends on the laws of that state. There are some advantages to treating children like children when it comes to determine punishment.

So - when he becomes an adult (assuming he's not committed any _serious_ crimes in the meantime) should he be able to buy a gun?

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>If found guilty, should he go to adult prison?

Depends on the laws of that state. There are some advantages to treating children like children when it comes to determine punishment.

So - when he becomes an adult (assuming he's not committed any _serious_ crimes in the meantime) should he be able to buy a gun?

I think this all depends on whether it's determined if he simply has a small anger issue that can be corrected or if his mental health caretakers determine he requires medication to keep it under control. To me, that's pretty much an indication of being mentally unstable enough to be prevented from purchasing and owning guns.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NRA is against mentally unstable people owning guns; right?

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[jgoose71 0]

I noticed that during the interview they had a close up of the mom's hands with no ring. Single parent. Go figure. I wonder how many issues the kid would be having if there was a solid male role model in his life.

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[DanG 1]

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I noticed that during the interview they had a close up of the mom's hands with no ring. Single parent. Go figure. I wonder how many issues the kid would be having if there was a solid male role model in his life.

For the sake of argument, what if she divorced the bum because he was beating the child? Would you still think the father should be in the picture?

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[DaVinci 0]

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So - when he becomes an adult (assuming he's not committed any _serious_ crimes in the meantime) should he be able to buy a gun?

You answered your own question:

"There are some advantages to treating children like children when it comes to determine punishment."

Removal of rights is punishment.

Personally, I think it would depend on how this situation ends. Does the child go to counseling and in the process end his rage problems?

If after 10 years there is no further issue... And his psychological professionals do not see him as a danger... Why should his rights be taken away?

Of course that is the simple answer. I think this child should be watched closely for the rest of his life. If he starts to develop issues, then actions should be taken.

Kinda like how a known Drunk Driver could have an interlock put on his car.

[Butters 0]

Who voted for the Cop(s), who voted for Other, and why?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I think this all depends on whether it's determined if he simply has a small anger issue that can be corrected or if his mental health caretakers determine he requires medication to keep it under control. To me, that's pretty much an indication of being mentally unstable enough to be prevented from purchasing and owning guns.

A question.... What if a person is on Meds for a mental illness and wants to get a medical for a pilots license and are denied. Do you support that as well?

I read a conversation on here somewhere about medically depressed skydiving students. Some think that if the person has mental issues strong enough to require medication that they should get a note from their treating psychiatrist... Others say that if they are medicated, what was the danger?

Where do you side on that?
Really just a question.

I think that this kid needs to be watched the rest of his life. But I am not sure if properly medicated that he should be prohibited from certain aspects of life.

If he is proven to be a danger, I have no issue with him having certain rights removed (gun, flying, skydiving...etc).

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NRA is against mentally unstable people owning guns; right?

Correct. The argument is over what "level" of unstable. Some people want ANY issue to prevent ownership, others only want to prevent people that have shown a danger to others.

AND laws like that can often be moved depending on the climate. Should a guy that went to marriage counseling with his wife be prevented from ownership? Some people (few) want that.

I tend to try and fall on the side of restricting freedoms only in solid cases.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Who voted for the Cop(s), who voted for Other, and why?

It wasn't me, but ...

This story was run on one of our major media providers last night in their late night news stories. But a funny thing happened along the way. The media did not show the video clip where the boy was being interviewed telling the world "I have anger issues, I don't think they will ever go away". Our media only focused on how the "Cops pepper sprayed an 8-year old boy". If I had not see the video clip you posted first and only watched what my media wanted me to see, I too might have walked away thinking something different.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Who voted for the Cop(s), who voted for Other, and why?

I voted for other - I blamed Al Franken

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[Southern_Man 0]

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I think this child should be watched closely for the rest of his life. If he starts to develop issues, then actions should be taken.

Watched closely by the rest of his life by whom?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[shropshire 0]

I think he should be taken for a long walk on a very short pier ..... with rocks in his pockets.

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[airdvr 210]

We all failed. You see...it takes a village...

Please don't dent the planet.

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[Amazon 7]

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I think this child should be watched closely for the rest of his life. If he starts to develop issues, then actions should be taken.

Watched closely by the rest of his life by whom?

The FSM of course.. because no one else will be... until he shows up at a congresswomans meet and greet.

[futuredivot 0]

Mom failed, not because the kid acted this way. There could very well be other medical/mental factors at play. She failed because, even now, she is defending him-in his eyes, she's validating the behavior. The fact that she puts the kid on camera leads me to think that she's blowing the parenthood gig on multiple levels, though.
The last few decades of education 'experts' and administrators have failed by taking effective discipline away from teachers as an option.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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The media did not show the video clip where the boy was being interviewed telling the world "I have anger issues, I don't think they will ever go away".

An 8 year old saying lines that like is merely parroting them. He hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

[Southern_Man 0]

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I think this child should be watched closely for the rest of his life. If he starts to develop issues, then actions should be taken.

Watched closely by the rest of his life by whom?

The FSM of course.. because no one else will be... until he shows up at a congresswomans meet and greet.

I don't think most people on here have a clue about how our mental health system (public mental health system) actually works. Lifetime surveillance is not on the table.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[billvon 3,120]

>Why should his rights be taken away?

Because (in the words of the poster I replied to) he is a "red flag to a future felon", a "possible mass murderer", and "a ticking time bomb." If all those things are true, then surely he is a poster child for someone who should not be assisted in his path to mass murder.

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I think this child should be watched closely for the rest of his life. If he starts to develop issues, then actions should be taken.

Watched closely by the rest of his life by whom?

The FSM of course.. because no one else will be... until he shows up at a congresswomans meet and greet.

I don't think most people on here have a clue about how our mental health system (public mental health system) actually works. Lifetime surveillance is not on the table.

You have to ask yourself.... when a Cho.. or a Whitman or one of the other legion of loonietunes jump over the edge with the same results, why do those who CLAIM there are laws in place fight so vociferously to make sure that it will just keep happening... over and over .. with the same results. When you try to point that out though... here they come trying to beat you to death with stupidity claiming that nothing can be done.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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An 8 year old saying lines that like is merely parroting them. He hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

I agree the 8 year old does not know much about what he speaks of. But you are not aware of how our media packaged up this story. It was a 30 second story and went something along the line of:

"Denver police were called out to investigate a disturbance at a school where an 8 year old was acting up. Denver police ended up pepper spraying the young boy because he would not cooperate with the demands of the police" ... the media then cuts to the mother ... "they treated my son like a common criminal, I am sure what my son was doing was not right but he is 8 years old" ... the media then cuts to Aidan where he says ... "they pepper sprayed my eyes so I couldn't see" ... the media ends the story with ... "this was the 3rd time the police were called out to deal with a disturbance from this boy".

That's it end of the story according to our media as they cut away to their next story. Hardly a balanced view of what happened with our media's selective editing.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

Of course those were my words and are only my opinions. But if this kid does not show radical signs of reform over the years, I would continue to take a stand that he is a "Ticking time bomb". If this kid does not show radical signs of reform, he should not be allowed to possess firearms. Of course he could still obtain them illegally.

I am all for individual gun rights, but mentally unstable people should be excluded. The challenge is, who gets to decide who is mentally unstable.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[kelpdiver 2]

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Of course those were my words and are only my opinions. But if this kid does not show radical signs of reform over the years, I would continue to take a stand that he is a "Ticking time bomb". If this kid does not show radical signs of reform, he should not be allowed to possess firearms. Of course he could still obtain them illegally.

I am all for individual gun rights, but mentally unstable people should be excluded. The challenge is, who gets to decide who is mentally unstable.

that is the problem here. I don't see a legally acceptable way to ensure otherwise for this kid, at least at this point in time. However, it does seem likely that he'll continue to cause trouble and there is more opportunity to monitor and sanction the kid before he becomes of age.

[vanair 0]

Years ago they called it a BROKEN home. For good reason. The people realized that a family works best with two parents. More guidance and supervision. And without that, bad things will happen. And yes I am a dinosaur. I am from the age of, get in trouble at school, get in more trouble at home. And yes at that time the kid was a common criminal.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Years ago they called it a BROKEN home. For good reason. The people realized that a family works best with two parents. More guidance and supervision. And without that, bad things will happen.

yes, no doubt about it.

wait a minute - how come I'm not in jail?

[christelsabine 1]

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Years ago they called it a BROKEN home. For good reason. The people realized that a family works best with two parents. More guidance and supervision. And without that, bad things will happen. And yes I am a dinosaur. I am from the age of, get in trouble at school, get in more trouble at home. And yes at that time the kid was a common criminal.

Wow. Two parents - what a brand new brilliant idea.

And what a sh*t, the father of my big boy is dead since several years. Guess what: My boy is a brilliant young man now, working hard on his doctoral level .......... His home was not broken. I was there.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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I think this all depends on whether it's determined if he simply has a small anger issue that can be corrected or if his mental health caretakers determine he requires medication to keep it under control. To me, that's pretty much an indication of being mentally unstable enough to be prevented from purchasing and owning guns.

A question.... What if a person is on Meds for a mental illness and wants to get a medical for a pilots license and are denied. Do you support that as well?

Absolutely! In fact, I'm pretty sure that's already in place for quite a number of mental health drugs and issues.

http://www.leftseat.com/psychiatric.htm

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver