U.S. Values Profits over jobs

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An idea on the spur of the moment without research, facts or much thought process.

When a company sends jobs out of the country, send the workers too.

I LIKE it!
Well, let me re-consider.....It would be MY luck that my job was sent to the North Pole or Libya.

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Man...When Shah posts, some of you guys' brains shut down and go into a "let's get nasty and hammer the Shah" mode.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Besides, I was asking jgoose71 if HE would reduce wages as a counter-measure to the increase in the cost of doing business.

Why is it that anyone says "cut the cost of doing Buisiness, the first thing every one on the left says is "what, cut wages?"

There are many other ways to do it. Like, don't know, fix government? Lower taxes? Kill Obama care?

Here is what I would propose if I had my way:

End subsidies- Why did GE get $3 billion in hand outs and pay no taxes while they made $14 billion in profits and shipped 10's of thousands of jobs over sea? Do Farmers still need subsidies?

Stop sending money to corrupt government- None of it goes to where it needs to go anyway. All we are doing is buying dictators.

Fix the tax code- See item one. It's the small buisness owners that pick up the slack.

End Obamacare- If everyone has a job, there is no need to pay for health care if everyone can pay for there own.

Fix unions- I don't want to get rid of them, but union dues are another cost that get passed on to the employer. Unions also don't work on fixing work conditions any more, they are more of a fund raiser for their preferred political party. They need to get back to doing what they are meant to do, and if they are so good, then people will get together and form them on there own.

This is only a few. There are lots of things that you can do to bring down the cost of doing business in the U.S. without cutting wages. It may mean reducing government and getting rid of all of the advantages that the well connected have with government, but hey, I'm OK with that.

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Man...When Shah posts, some of you guys' brains shut down and go into a "let's get nasty and hammer the Shah" mode.

Make a troll post, get a troll response. Let's see if he comes back with something that actually took some thought instead of "ZOMG they want to grind babies up for bread!!!".

Mike
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Why is it that anyone says "cut the cost of doing Buisiness, the first thing every one on the left says is "what, cut wages?"

Maybe because that's one of the major costs of doing business? I dunno.

Left/Right has nothing to do with it.
Wages are a fastball right down the middle.

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There are many other ways to do it.

Not bad except that most of it only addresses tax issues. Somehow I don't think taxes are the major concern on reducing the cost of doing business.

Oh wait...you're probaqbly talking about the U.S. goobermint as a business venture. In that case, you have some good stuff going there.

Maybe Trump is the answer...probably not, though. Few people understood the value Perot could have brought to the table in this respect. But, OTOH, Trump is popular after all and elections these days seem to be more about image than substance...so who knows?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Make a troll post, get a troll response. Let's see if he comes back with something that actually took some thought instead of "ZOMG they want to grind babies up for bread!!!".

Of course it was a troll post! He didn't mention sifting!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Make a troll post, get a troll response. Let's see if he comes back with something that actually took some thought instead of "ZOMG they want to grind babies up for bread!!!".

Of course it was a troll post! He didn't mention sifting!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Maybe because that's one of the major costs of doing business? I dunno.

Left/Right has nothing to do with it.
Wages are a fastball right down the middle.

Not necessarily. If you are a small business owner, aka "rich" right now you pay close to 50% in taxes. I don't think this even includes state taxes. After obama care kicks in it will jump over 50%. Mean while, well connected people like Jeffrey Imelt and GE don't pay a dime while shipping all of those American jobs over seas. Unions because they donate 100's of millions a year to the DNC get special exemptions. (300 million last year if memory serves)

Small business is where most of the jobs are really created in America. We got to support those guys.

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I LIKE it!
Well, let me re-consider.....It would be MY luck that my job was sent to the North Pole or Libya.

And what's wrong with Alaska? The hunting and fishing there is great!!

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One of the primary issues that gets ignored is how we got into this situation in the first place and all of this still comes back the the basic principle that no one will ever be happy with what they have.

Back in the day, people did a job, got paid and a company made something to sell. That process was reflected in cost of living. Over the course of time through some inflation and also through increased "taxes" on the system (taxes in quote cause i don't mean just like actual taxes, i mean it in the larger sense) the cost of making a product went up, but so did the amount of money that a person made.

At some point, it became possible to build something and ship it cheaper then it was to do it here. Cost of living should have gone down, cause the cost of the product went down. Wages here could have gone down too. That's where things broke, when that didn't happen, mostly cause companies saw no need to voluntarily lower their profit margin, we got into a fucked situation.

Right now we exist in a upside down economy. The concept of trickle down that keeps getting brought up around here is supposed to solve that problem, but it doesn't. It's a non-starter because no one is willing to part with what they have, they just want more and more. Even charity is only driven by the fact that it gets you out of obligated taxes, it's just a way to get something more (good image) and it's just another form of being greedy.

We're kinda all fucked at this point.

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Man...When Shah posts, some of you guys' brains shut down and go into a "let's get nasty and hammer the Shah" mode.

Make a troll post, get a troll response. Let's see if he comes back with something that actually took some thought instead of "ZOMG they want to grind babies up for bread!!!".

He's right, Mike. I was out of line.

Sorry, Shah. I was being a dick. I stand by the substance of what I wrote but how I wrote it was evidence of my mastery of dickjitsu.

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you seem to be complaining about the very definition of capitalism. It is what it is. everyone wants it, no one wants the consequences.

Capitalism will pursue PROFITS and only profits. At the expense of social policy, education, healthcare, employment, people and anything else that gets in the way of profits.

"bring down the cost of doing business?" Sure, at the expense of people - let's go for it!!

Saying that a company cares about profits over employing people and that it's a sign that companies are anti-social is about as silly as saying the employees only care about their paycheck over the success of the company and concluding the same about them.

We passed through a phase where an unskilled job could buy you a house, a picket fence, and 2.4 kids wherever you fancied. The mass expenditure of plentiful natural resources will tend to inflate quality of life across the board even if only a few get particularly rich. Education will be the key to keeping our society as a whole productive and employed as times change.

Minimum wages, socialized healthcare, social security... it's all really short-sighted (yes, much like putting wars on a credit card.) We, as a society, really need to be more... I dunno... useful. Yeah there's an income gap but, rich or poor, everyone's just kinda coasting.

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We, as a society, really need to be more... I dunno... useful. Yeah there's an income gap but, rich or poor, everyone's just kinda coasting.

Are you suggesting that people put into a system that they are drawing from? Are you hinting that everyone should try to contribute? What's wrong with you man? That's not the American way!

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We, as a society, really need to be more... I dunno... useful. Yeah there's an income gap but, rich or poor, everyone's just kinda coasting.

Are you suggesting that people put into a system that they are drawing from?

Sort of, but without the finger pointing.

I'm suggesting that making good money, having quality healthcare, and retiring when you want to are emergent things based on the attitude of society as a whole, not just things you can decide should be and wave a magic wand to make exist.

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Maybe because that's one of the major costs of doing business? I dunno.

Left/Right has nothing to do with it.
Wages are a fastball right down the middle.

Not necessarily. If you are a small business owner, aka "rich" right now you pay close to 50% in taxes. I don't think this even includes state taxes. After obama care kicks in it will jump over 50%. Mean while, well connected people like Jeffrey Imelt and GE don't pay a dime while shipping all of those American jobs over seas. Unions because they donate 100's of millions a year to the DNC get special exemptions. (300 million last year if memory serves)

Small business is where most of the jobs are really created in America. We got to support those guys.

According to the IRS, small business is also where the most tax cheating occurs.

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...If you are a small business owner, aka "rich" right now you pay close to 50% in taxes. I don't think this even includes state taxes.

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According to the IRS, small business is also where the most tax cheating occurs.

Hmmmmmm....maybe, just maybe, there's a tie-in somewhere in there.....I dunno. I'll have to think on it.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Sorry, Shah. I was being a dick. I stand by the substance of what I wrote but how I wrote it was evidence of my mastery of dickjitsu.

Even more so, this is evidence of level-headed maturity...an example we could ALL take home with us.
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Amen.

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Maybe because that's one of the major costs of doing business? I dunno.

Left/Right has nothing to do with it.
Wages are a fastball right down the middle.

Not necessarily. If you are a small business owner, aka "rich" right now you pay close to 50% in taxes. I don't think this even includes state taxes. After obama care kicks in it will jump over 50%. Mean while, well connected people like Jeffrey Imelt and GE don't pay a dime while shipping all of those American jobs over seas. Unions because they donate 100's of millions a year to the DNC get special exemptions. (300 million last year if memory serves)

Small business is where most of the jobs are really created in America. We got to support those guys.

According to the IRS, small business is also where the most tax cheating occurs.

That sounds like a good reason to punish that entire class of the American Citizenry.....

Yes, as complicated as the tax code is, I don't think they are trying to intentionally cheat the system. They just can't afford the representation like GE to get all the in's and out's of the IRS to make sure all of their deductions T's are crossed and lower case j's are dotted.

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According to the IRS, small business is also where the most tax cheating occurs.

Here is a thought, make the tax code simple and easy to understand. Makes cheating more difficult and makes filing much easier.