Libya: Since when did tanks fly?

[shropshire 0]

So the UN was quite specific about the remit of the resolution .... to implement a NO FLY ZONE ... not to support a rebel counter attack... that's not Mission Creep ... That's a Mission Leap.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12869658

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[nigel99 625]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8W6_0UcQWA

Think laterally old chap

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[shropshire 0]

Fucking ORSUM

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[ryoder 1,590]

Well, they do fly briefly after being hit, don't they?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,120]

Wow, never saw that coming. Who coulda guessed that we'd end up getting sucked in?

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So the UN was quite specific about the remit of the resolution .... to implement a NO FLY ZONE ... not to support a rebel counter attack... that's not Mission Creep ... That's a Mission Leap.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12869658

Well, despite the pre-resolution rhetoric of "no fly zone", the actual resolution did not restrict itself (as many people erroneously think) solely to a no-fly zone. Here is a link to the full text:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/17/un-security-council-resolution

Paragraph 4 of the Resolution "Authorizes Member States ... to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory..."

The no-fly zone is not the exclusive means authorized to do so, and is not mentioned until Paragraph 6 of the Resolution.

[shropshire 0]

But it seems they were support and Assault not a defensive position .... well - same old, same old .. lies, damned lies and flexible missions

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[stevebabin 0]

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So the UN was quite specific about the remit of the resolution .... to implement a NO FLY ZONE ... not to support a rebel counter attack... that's not Mission Creep ... That's a Mission Leap.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12869658

Well, despite the pre-resolution rhetoric of "no fly zone", the actual resolution did not restrict itself (as many people erroneously think) solely to a no-fly zone. Here is a link to the full text:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/17/un-security-council-resolution

Paragraph 4 of the Resolution "Authorizes Member States ... to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory..."

The no-fly zone is not the exclusive means authorized to do so, and is not mentioned until Paragraph 6 of the Resolution.

There you go again using logic, reason and facts again...Have you forgotten what forum this is?!?!?

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

[Skyrad 0]

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But it seems they were support and Assault not a defensive position .... well - same old, same old .. lies, damned lies and flexible missions

I think its more down to piss poor lazy half arsed ill informed 'journalism'. I'm sick of hearing wet behind the ear journos using military slang that they don't understand while sounding like an authority. They couldn't be bothered to report the facts so relied on a 'No fly zone' tag of which they have heard of rather than try to understand what has been sanctioned.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[shropshire 0]

J you're probably right but maybe, it's more likely that'they' sold us a pup. By concentrating on the No Fly zone aspect and ignoring/suppressing the rest . We peasants will more likely accept/go along with the mission creep.

As the kids say.. "Whateva!" - we're being dragged into something that we have no power to stop (just pay for) . Again.


I for one am not buying it .. Again.


Mr and Mrs normal is being fucked over.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[mrmedic 0]

I've been all for helping the little guy in the past. But this time? Nah. The Libyan government (legal or not, he's there, so he's the government) is putting down civil unrest in his own damn country. It's a civil war! As in Libyans fighting Libyans! Who are we to tell him how much force to use to put down civil unrest caused by criminals? Criminals(as in breaking his laws) are dealt with within each country as the people(persons) in power choose.

We have and USE the death penalty. Some countries don't like that. But are they over here telling us we can't kill our own people? Nope! WE decide how to deal with our criminals, let him decide how to deal with his. We need to stay out of civil wars. Period.

Rant over. Soap box put away. 4 years to retirement, then it's 4:20 somewhere.

CYA!....up there

[popsjumper 2]

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.... Who are we to tell him how much force to use to put down civil unrest caused by criminals?...

Only 1 minor problem with that....it's logical and we're dealing with a goobermint.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Skyrad 0]

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J you're probably right but maybe, it's more likely that'they' sold us a pup. By concentrating on the No Fly zone aspect and ignoring/suppressing the rest . We peasants will more likely accept/go along with the mission creep.

As the kids say.. "Whateva!" - we're being dragged into something that we have no power to stop (just pay for) . Again.


I for one am not buying it .. Again.


Mr and Mrs normal is being fucked over.

You are right, there has been mission creep so far and so fast that it'd make a Ninja green with envy. You are right that the popular support was secured by talk of a no fly zone, that was only a few weeks ago now we have 'Dave' saying that we won't stop until Ghadafi is overthrown! So now its all about regime change. How long before we find a way to put boots on the ground?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[shropshire 0]

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J you're probably right but maybe, it's more likely that'they' sold us a pup. By concentrating on the No Fly zone aspect and ignoring/suppressing the rest . We peasants will more likely accept/go along with the mission creep.

As the kids say.. "Whateva!" - we're being dragged into something that we have no power to stop (just pay for) . Again.


I for one am not buying it .. Again.


Mr and Mrs normal is being fucked over.

You are right, there has been mission creep so far and so fast that it'd make a Ninja green with envy. You are right that the popular support was secured by talk of a no fly zone, that was only a few weeks ago now we have 'Dave' saying that we won't stop until Ghadafi is overthrown! So now its all about regime change. How long before we find a way to put boots on the ground?

No surprises so far

On a differnt note - did you see thet Lockheed-Marting are the company collecting OUR census data

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[champu 1]

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On a differnt note - did you see thet Lockheed-Marting are the company collecting OUR census data

Actually, looking into it a little further, they're not. They provided a bunch of computer infrastructure and technology to the ONS who are collecting the census data.

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On a differnt note - did you see thet Lockheed-Marting are the company collecting OUR census data

Actually, looking into it a little further, they're not. They provided a bunch of computer infrastructure and technology to the ONS who are collecting the census data.

They shouldn't be involved AT ALL

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[champu 1]

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On a differnt note - did you see thet Lockheed-Marting are the company collecting OUR census data

Actually, looking into it a little further, they're not. They provided a bunch of computer infrastructure and technology to the ONS who are collecting the census data.

They shouldn't be involved AT ALL

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