dreamdancer 0 #1 March 24, 2011 just quietly starve to death i suppose... QuoteThere are now approximately 14 million Americans who want a job and can't find one. According to the National Employment Law Project (NELP), if they stood side by side, they'd stretch from Bangor, Maine to Los Angeles, California and back. While plenty of ink has been dedicated to distant crises in the Middle East and Japan, and a wholly trumped up “deficit crisis” that haunts the sleep of the Beltway media, this disaster occurring right here at home has received far less attention than it should. Those who have been out of work for an extended period of time face not only extreme economic suffering, but also unique barriers to getting back into the workforce. Yet the political establishment has all but ignored the pain being felt by this broad swath of working America. Economist Paul Krugman called them the “forgotten millions,” and warned that “we’re well on the way to creating a permanent underclass of the jobless.” http://www.alternet.org/economy/150358/8_unemployed_for_every_job_opening%3A_what_are_they_supposed_to_do_once_their_benefits_run_out/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 March 24, 2011 Wouldn't you rather they figured it out BEFORE the benefits run out? 8 per job 1 gets the job leaving 7 now, if one of those starts up his own business and hires 3, that leaves 3 unemployed. but now we have 5 people gainfully employed, so the service industry (bars, restaurants, grocery stores, etc) will need another, that leaves 2 unemployed One can now move back home to norway, since she's here illegally anyway, that leaves 1 unemployed he can surf discussion forums all day and whine about society and how the other 7 sold out and went to work instead of lobbying to extend his benefits indefinitely. glad to help, remember to tip your servers. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 March 24, 2011 As has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #4 March 24, 2011 QuoteAs has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Or cake. Don't forget the cake.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 March 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteAs has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Or cake. Don't forget the cake. Absolutely What ever they can give How about you What can you give?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 March 24, 2011 Quote As has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Still holding out HOPE for all that TRICKLE I see Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #7 March 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Or cake. Don't forget the cake. Absolutely What ever they can give How about you What can you give? Just donated my wife's car to her favorite charity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 March 24, 2011 Quote Quote As has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Still holding out HOPE for all that TRICKLE I see Heck why dont you give someone a job cleaning up your three boats or the motor home after you are done with it or maintaining your estate? You can do it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 March 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAs has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Or cake. Don't forget the cake. Absolutely What ever they can give How about you What can you give? Just donated my wife's car to her favorite charity. So who did that give a job to? And you sure as hell are not going to use that as a tax deduction are you?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 March 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote As has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Still holding out HOPE for all that TRICKLE I see Heck why dont you give someone a job cleaning up your three boats or the motor home after you are done with it or maintaining your estate? You can do it I have a housecleaner... I have a landscaper ... I hire laborers as needed for construction projects... or for sanding and painting on the boats . (by the way all the waste from that is caught on tarps and sent to a land fill ,not that you would do anything of the kind) SOOO you can stick your usual attempt right back there where it belongs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #11 March 24, 2011 >just quietly starve to death i suppose... Or live off their savings until they can get that job. Or (horrors!) move back in with mom and dad, or a friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #12 March 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAs has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Or cake. Don't forget the cake. Absolutely What ever they can give How about you What can you give? Just donated my wife's car to her favorite charity. So who did that give a job to? Purple Heart Veterans supports jobless veterans, but they didn't give me a name. Next.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 March 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAs has already been stated get off their lazy let the gov feed me asses and get a job before the benies run out Hopefully an ultra rich peson can give them job Or cake. Don't forget the cake. Absolutely What ever they can give How about you What can you give? Just donated my wife's car to her favorite charity. So who did that give a job to? Purple Heart Veterans supports jobless veterans, but they didn't give me a name. Next. Great But you didnt address the tax issue"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 March 24, 2011 QuoteWouldn't you rather they figured it out BEFORE the benefits run out? 8 per job 1 gets the job leaving 7 now, if one of those starts up his own business and hires 3, that leaves 3 unemployed. but now we have 5 people gainfully employed, so the service industry (bars, restaurants, grocery stores, etc) will need another, that leaves 2 unemployed One can now move back home to norway, since she's here illegally anyway, that leaves 1 unemployed he can surf discussion forums all day and whine about society and how the other 7 sold out and went to work instead of lobbying to extend his benefits indefinitely. glad to help, remember to tip your servers. This will never work because the jobs created won't be in their "field". The only obvious solution would be to continue the unemployment benefits until something "opens up". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #15 March 24, 2011 Quote>just quietly starve to death i suppose... Or live off their savings until they can get that job. Or (horrors!) move back in with mom and dad, or a friend. What savings?? Most of them lived way past their means even when the economy was going gang busters! They were thinking their inflated vapor ware equity in their homes would balance out the huge piles of maxed out credit cards and subprime loan on their escalades and hummer H2's. #winning!!!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #16 March 24, 2011 QuoteThere are now approximately 14 million Americans who want a job and can't find one Buzzz! Wrong. There will always be unemployed folks and a certain percentage of them are unemployed by choice. Perhaps the writer would like to start over with realistic numbers.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #17 March 24, 2011 Quote Great But you didnt address the tax issue Feeling guilty that I give more than you, with your "let them eat cake" attitude? I answered your on-topic question. If you want to ask off-topic questions start another thread.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #18 March 24, 2011 The world is changing. Gone are the days where you get a job for life complete with full benefits and fully indexed pensions. People who are not willing to adapt to this ever changing world will be left behind. People who rely on governments to get themselves through life will continue to be disappointed. I have a simple question for you. If/when people find themselves out of work what should they do? 1) Be proactive towards bettering themselves and possibly create their own job? or 2) Sit back and whine what a victim of the world that they are? I am losing my job in one month (LOL I was supposed to lose it one year ago, so I have been given plenty of warning) and it is debatable as to whether or not I will be able to find a new job in my field. As a 26 year veteran of the software development industry, I am having a harder time finding opportunities in my field. This is partly because the industry is changing and the jobs in software are relocating to places like India, and it is also a case of competition in the field is getting tighter and companies would rather hire the younger worker. Does this make me a victim? Fuck no ... I will NOT be a victim ... if I can not find work in the area of my expertise, I will not sit back and whine "where is my government check", I will find some way to re-invent myself. Take responsibility for your future people. Stop being such whinny victims. Whoever told you life would be easy, was clearly lying to you. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #19 March 24, 2011 All those "Help Wanted" signs I see must be my imagination. Only a small percentage of the unemployed are TRULY unemployed. The rest won't work for any number of reasons. Pay isn't what they want or are accustomed to, job is beneath them, too easy just collecting free money, etc. If people are willing to adapt, change their lifestyle, move, etc., most can get a job.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 March 25, 2011 Quote Quote Great But you didnt address the tax issue Feeling guilty that I give more than you, with your "let them eat cake" attitude? I answered your on-topic question. If you want to ask off-topic questions start another thread. Fail both were on topic also, I do not give a fuck what you say you give I give what I can and you say you do that is cool If you think you have to give more than someone to be important, well I understand why you think others should pay more taxesNow are you going to claim your donation as a tax deduction or are you a not? (you brought is up, I didnt)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #21 March 25, 2011 QuoteAll those "Help Wanted" signs I see must be my imagination. Only a small percentage of the unemployed are TRULY unemployed. The rest won't work for any number of reasons. . According to the data, 7 out of 8 can't. Where are you getting YOUR information.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #22 March 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Great But you didnt address the tax issue Feeling guilty that I give more than you, with your "let them eat cake" attitude? I answered your on-topic question. If you want to ask off-topic questions start another thread. Fail both were on topic also, I do not give a fuck what you say you give I give what I can and you say you do that is cool If you think you have to give more than someone to be important, well I understand why you think others should pay more taxesNow are you going to claim your donation as a tax deduction or are you a not? (you brought is up, I didnt) I didn't mention taxes, you did (Post #9, this thread). No-one brought up taxes until you did. Your memory is as defective as your logic.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 March 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Great But you didnt address the tax issue Feeling guilty that I give more than you, with your "let them eat cake" attitude? I answered your on-topic question. If you want to ask off-topic questions start another thread. Fail both were on topic also, I do not give a fuck what you say you give I give what I can and you say you do that is cool If you think you have to give more than someone to be important, well I understand why you think others should pay more taxesNow are you going to claim your donation as a tax deduction or are you a not? (you brought is up, I didnt) I didn't mention taxes, you did (Post #9, this thread). No-one brought up taxes until you did. Your memory is as defective as your logic. I never denied bring it up Of course I brought it up after you just had to show your moral superiority of givingSorry it is a question that may expose your hypocrisy if you should answer it any other PA's tonight or are you getting tired?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #24 March 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Great But you didnt address the tax issue Feeling guilty that I give more than you, with your "let them eat cake" attitude? I answered your on-topic question. If you want to ask off-topic questions start another thread. Fail both were on topic also, I do not give a fuck what you say you give I give what I can and you say you do that is cool If you think you have to give more than someone to be important, well I understand why you think others should pay more taxesNow are you going to claim your donation as a tax deduction or are you a not? (you brought is up, I didnt) I didn't mention taxes, you did (Post #9, this thread). No-one brought up taxes until you did. Your memory is as defective as your logic. I never denied bring it up Of course I brought it up You contradict yourself even within a single post. Why do you punish yourself this way in public?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #25 March 25, 2011 Quote Quote All those "Help Wanted" signs I see must be my imagination. Only a small percentage of the unemployed are TRULY unemployed. The rest won't work for any number of reasons. . According to the data, 7 out of 8 can't. Where are you getting YOUR information. 7/8 can't work? Or can't find a job? Either figure I find extremely hard to believe. My personal observations would put the figure more at 1/8 can't work or find a job, and the other 7/8 won't take one of the jobs that are available. I personally know an electrical engineer whose last job, before being laid off, was as a project manager. I offered him a job but he turned it down because it would "get in the way" of accepting a "real" job. That was three years ago and he is still out of work and living with friends waiting for that "real" job to come along. He, like others, has voluntarily restricted his options so the number of possibilities is severely limited. He won't relocate, and he won't take a job he feels is beneath his skill set. It's not like i asked him to scrub our toilets. I still do that myself. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites