I bet this guy is buying stock in companies that manufacture bidets

[billvon 3,090]

>This is NOT a new problem. It's an old problem.

I agree. But the reason I asked that question was - OK, people screwed up. What do you do NOW?

My simplistic solution would be to just increase sewer rates, or establish them if they don't exist, and use them to pay for the improvements. A constituent could then say "why the hell should I pay for improvements that Washington DC tells us we have to do? If they want it, why don't they pay for it?" And they'd have a point.

RushMC's solution is deficit spending, which isn't the end of the world if you have a critical project you have to complete. Of course, if he did that, someone here would likely be posting something along the lines of "the mayor knew he couldn't pay for the improvements but he went ahead with them anyway! Typical shortsighted clueless politician." And they'd have a point too,

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Because almost EVERYONE in the country is downstream from some one elses sewage effluent. Your local shit flows downstream to someone Jerry.

My shit flows down stream into my septic tank and then my leach field, all of which are properly maintained.

Of course the septic company has to deal with what they pump out of the tank when I get it pumped, but that doesn't go into the sewer system either.

Why should my toilet paper tax pay for a sewer project in omaha, when I don't even have a sewer hookup?

Do I get a credit like the people using over the road diesel for non road uses?

I have the same.. since I live out in the foothills of the mountains. My water comes from a resevoir WAY up in the mountains. But why should I pay for your wars... or your roads.... or your OTHER myriad infrastructure projects??

DUH.. its called the common good that keeps the dumb fucks downstream healthy instead of getting dysentary or any other unsanitary water borne diseases that have afflicted mankind for the last 100000 years or so.

We do not get many of those old timey PLAGUES these days... but one good way to get them going full bore again is to skimp on the treatment plants.

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>Fix it. Borrow the money . . .

Fair enough. So deficit spending.

Funny how you left out the most important part

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Because almost EVERYONE in the country is downstream from some one elses sewage effluent. Your local shit flows downstream to someone Jerry.

My shit flows down stream into my septic tank and then my leach field, all of which are properly maintained.

Of course the septic company has to deal with what they pump out of the tank when I get it pumped, but that doesn't go into the sewer system either.

Why should my toilet paper tax pay for a sewer project in omaha, when I don't even have a sewer hookup?

Do I get a credit like the people using over the road diesel for non road uses?

I too am on a septic system

why should I have to pay when I pay to maintain a certified approved system of my own?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>This is NOT a new problem. It's an old problem.

I agree. But the reason I asked that question was - OK, people screwed up. What do you do NOW?

My simplistic solution would be to just increase sewer rates, or establish them if they don't exist, and use them to pay for the improvements. A constituent could then say "why the hell should I pay for improvements that Washington DC tells us we have to do? If they want it, why don't they pay for it?" And they'd have a point.

RushMC's solution is deficit spending, which isn't the end of the world if you have a critical project you have to complete. Of course, if he did that, someone here would likely be posting something along the lines of "the mayor knew he couldn't pay for the improvements but he went ahead with them anyway! Typical shortsighted clueless politician." And they'd have a point too,

Why do you have to lie about my position?
That is just fucked up dude

My position is cut back and pay what you have to pay for like we all do

But your gov does not work that way does it
Cause nothing is cuttable, is it?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Because almost EVERYONE in the country is downstream from some one elses sewage effluent. Your local shit flows downstream to someone Jerry.

My shit flows down stream into my septic tank and then my leach field, all of which are properly maintained.

Of course the septic company has to deal with what they pump out of the tank when I get it pumped, but that doesn't go into the sewer system either.

Why should my toilet paper tax pay for a sewer project in omaha, when I don't even have a sewer hookup?

Do I get a credit like the people using over the road diesel for non road uses?

I too am on a septic system

why should I have to pay when I pay to maintain a certified approved system of my own?

Yeah that works well till you go shopping in the local town that is NOT on a septic but has an aged treatment facility that is failing and everyone in town is getting sick because shitcritters in the water are getting into the drinking water or food.

See that is the problem you guys have with the ITS NOT MY PROBLEM.. I've got mine and fuck everyone else.

[DougH 270]

That would be a problem of the stores, and the town the benefits from the economic activity the mall brings in.

Lawrocket makes a very good point. This is a local problem that should have been dealt with but has been pushed off by useless politicians. You voted for the shit bags, you reap what you sow.

So can I save on septic maintenance and then expect people across the country to cough up the cash when my leech field fails???

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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See that is the problem you guys have with the ITS NOT MY PROBLEM.. I've got mine and fuck everyone else.

Try again...

It is not that I got mine and fuck you...

It is I already pay good money each year to keep my shit properly handled. That is a responsibility, and I meet it.

Your argument is akin to letting people buy car insurance after an accident and then raising rates on the safe driver who was paid up all year.

Would you tell the safe driver, selfish bastard why would you care, you just think I have my insurance and fuck everyone else.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

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That would be a problem of the stores, and the town the benefits from the economic activity the mall brings in.

Lawrocket makes a very good point. This is a local problem that should have been dealt with but has been pushed off by useless politicians. You voted for the shit bags, you reap what you sow.

So can I save on septic maintenance and then expect people across the country to cough up the cash when my leech field fails???

I am very picky about what goes down the drain here at my house... I replenish the bugs in there frequently.... and I took out the " garbage disposal" in the sink and instead put it into a mulch pile instead of sending it down the drain. There is an added benefit in that that extra veggie matter makes for organic fertilizer for the garden. I also make sure the TP goes down the toilet... is septic safe.

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That would be a problem of the stores, and the town the benefits from the economic activity the mall brings in.

Lawrocket makes a very good point. This is a local problem that should have been dealt with but has been pushed off by useless politicians. You voted for the shit bags, you reap what you sow.

So can I save on septic maintenance and then expect people across the country to cough up the cash when my leech field fails???

I am very picky about what goes down the drain here at my house... I replenish the bugs in there frequently.... and I took out the " garbage disposal" in the sink and instead put it into a mulch pile instead of sending it down the drain. There is an added benefit in that that extra veggie matter makes for organic fertilizer for the garden. I also make sure the TP goes down the toilet... is septic safe.

I do and have done the same

Why then do you feel that your have a moral high ground on this?

Oh

Sorry

I forgot this is a religion of yours you want to force on others

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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TSK TSK TSK...

CLueless.. as usual

All of the things you wish to deny are going to catch up to you and your progeny... its not a religion.. it is a statement of things to come...

Your religion is dying

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TSK TSK TSK...

CLueless.. as usual

All of the things you wish to deny are going to catch up to you and your progeny... its not a religion.. it is a statement of things to come...

Your religion is dying

I am not working from a faith perspective

you however, can not say the same

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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TSK TSK TSK...

CLueless.. as usual

All of the things you wish to deny are going to catch up to you and your progeny... its not a religion.. it is a statement of things to come...

Your religion is dying

I am not working from a faith perspective

you however, can not say the same

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD

ITs hilarious that you actually believe that shit.....

How many DENIER threads have you started since you logged into this site?????



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[billvon 3,090]

>Why do you have to lie about my position?

I didn't. I asked what you would do if you had already cut everything you could and still had to fix the plant. You answered "borrow the money." That's called deficit spending. And no, it's not different when you do it just because you have good intentions. And yes, it's sometimes the least of several evils. Welcome to the real world.

>But your gov does not work that way does it

Like I said, in "my government" I'd charge the users of the system a fee to finance the repairs. Still not a great solution.

>Cause nothing is cuttable, is it?

Lots of stuff is, per the example I gave you.

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>Why do you have to lie about my position?

I didn't. I asked what you would do if you had already cut everything you could and still had to fix the plant. You answered "borrow the money." That's called deficit spending. And no, it's not different when you do it just because you have good intentions. And yes, it's sometimes the least of several evils. Welcome to the real world.

>But your gov does not work that way does it

Like I said, in "my government" I'd charge the users of the system a fee to finance the repairs. Still not a great solution.

>Cause nothing is cuttable, is it?

Lots of stuff is, per the example I gave you.

that is part of what I said

But this is a normal tactic for you

An emergency situation was presented (at least that is what I understood) If you dont have the money you got to do something so you emergency short term borrow

But I also said that you then cut other places to pay for it

But that is not what gov does. It just spends more and then when people say enough gov complains and whines and cuts teachers and fire and police first to try and make a point.

If you had the same emergency you might need to short term cover the issue
Then you would re arrange your budget to cover those cost

Unles you can just go to your employer and say give me more money

But it usually does not work that way


does it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I'm carrying the entire load right now

Given the thread ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[DougH 270]

They way we debate and discuss things around here is a huge load. Some people around here should get a room and either fight to the death, or go screw till they fall over.

You can't have a productive back and forth in here!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[wmw999 2,560]

Rereading the story, I'll admit I'd rather it were local or regional, rather than national. I hadn't picked up on that, and since different region's needs are different, well, I'd rather it were this way.

The biggest problem with this, of course, is that it screws over hte poor, because where they are concentrated is generally where services are already the most underfunded. I guess we can just tell htem to get richer.

Either way, though, if hte feds have to help, I'd rather htey have to help a few districts, rather than be involved in all of them.

I have a house with a legal septic system, too (summer house in NH -- and it wasn't cheap to put in, either). But if most people in htat area have public utilities, well, then I'd expect to pay a TP tax if it were levied. That's what happens when you live in a community -- you get some things that others pay for, and you pay for some things that others get.

Hopefully it works out in the end.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,090]

>If you dont have the money you got to do something so you emergency
>short term borrow.

Exactly. That's deficit spending. And all too often, those emergencies occur because the last guy got into office on a promise of "less taxes! more efficient government!" - and his idea of more efficient government was to lay off those "overpriced workers" who were telling him about the sewage treatment plant problem and defer maintenance to "save the taxpayers money."

>But I also said that you then cut other places to pay for it

Again, I agree. But often those cuts then cause problems for the _next_ guy. Sure, you can cut something else, like school janitors. Then the next guy needs to deal with the million dollar mold remediation problem.

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Suttle unrolls toilet paper tax

http://www.omaha.com/article/20110323/NEWS01/703239866

How short sighted.

You buy stock in the bidet and sewage companies and sell short the toilet paper ones.

This and any community should deal with this locally and if they can't let the fed gov't try and fine them.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[VTmotoMike08 0]

Thanks for a well though out reply.  Here's my solution to funding water and sewer projects.  It's based on the simple philosophy that if you make a mess, you and you alone should clean it up.

1.  Crack down on non point sources of water pollution.  If you've got a farm and all the fertilizer and chicken shit runs into the river, prepare to clean it up and prevent it in the future and or pay a steep fine.  The agricultural lobbyist who prevent these laws from passing should be taken out back and beaten.  Regulation and enforcement of this is spotty.

2.  Crack down on point source pollution.  Everyone so far in this thread has not considered pollution from food processing, which is a HUGE issue.  If you've got a food factory that pumps all its waste into the sewer system, and has no pretreament facility onsite, and pays the municipal rate for water and sewer, this has got to end.  Some of those factories crush the treatments plants and pass the cost along to others.  Again, regulations and enforcement varies and we should beat the lobbyist that push the laws allowing this to a pulp. 
If you can't do this, then you've gotta tax the group that uses their end products- you know, everyone who eats food.  Since the lobbyist have successfully prevented pollution from food processing from being taxed, you have to tax it when it comes out the other end.  You only shit if you eat so taxing the TP users seems fair, even if they are on septic.  You can fairly avoid this tax if you grow your own food, make your own TP and discharge all your waste to a properly maintained septic system on your private property.  Or, you can pay the fair cost to live in a civilized society.

3.  Tax those who use certain prescription drugs more.  All those hormones that you shit out cause treatment obstacles that are not even fully understood yet.   I'd say $2/ pill should be a decent start towards the research.  It could cost billions to eventually get all the hormones out of the water and we don't even know how it will even effect us yet.  Beat the pharmacy company lobbysists who block the legislation.  You can fairly avoid this tax if you eat right, exercise and stay healthy so you don't require as many drugs to live a long life.  Or, you can pay the fair cost to live in a civilized society.

If we can get all that passed, I imagine we can find the money to fix the plants in a way that is fair to all users.  Everyone pays in proportion to how much they use the system.  Now, I'll be happy to go into more detail and say just how much each group of users should pay and pitch the proposal to all your local governmens- for the right fee, of course!!!

Of course, all those are long term solutions.  Maybe taxing the TP is just easier the doing all the above!

[Bolas 5]

Wait a sec. You want us to understand the problem versus just taxing and throwing money at it?

That's crazy talk. He's a witch!!! Burn him!!!

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wmw999 2,560]

And in the consequences department:

Number 1 & Number2 (hardy-har-har)

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Crack down on non point sources of water pollution.

Everyone complains because food prices go up and the regulatory commission's cost has just skyrocketed. All that regulatory crap is just hampering business, which could otherwise employ people if they didn't have all those pointless costs to deal with.

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Tax those who use certain prescription drugs more.

And add to our skyrocketing medical costs??? Where's that money going to come from? We're already deep in doodoo (hardy-har-har) and you want to add to it???

Just priming the discussion pump.

Personally, I think those ideas make sense. And, just as with the tax-the-TP guy, you get good ideas by getting lots of ideas and analyzing them.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,090]

>Wait a sec. You want us to understand the problem versus just taxing and throwing money at it?

He's worse than that. He's talking about requiring companies to treat their own waste and be responsible for the effects they cause. He's BAD FOR BUSINESS! And who knows, someone might screw up their own waste treatment and spill something. He's BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT! And food processing? He wants to reduce sewage waste from them? Imagine all the food prep workers who won't wash their hands!

MotoMike - bad for business, bad for the environment, bad for America. Vote for the other guy.

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They way we debate and discuss things around here is a huge load. Some people around here should get a room and either fight to the death, or go screw till they fall over.

You can't have a productive back and forth in here!

"You can get more with a kind word and a 2X4 then you can with just a kind word"