How environmentalism hurts the environment

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Push your envio religion on some one else

I dont need yours as I can see you are a do as I say not as I do enviro wacko

Its not a religion COAL BOY... its a reality.. of course if you would pull your head out of that COAL ASH pile that is radioactive.. you might begin to find the clue you are so totally and utterly missing.

Read something other than those links provided to you by your COMPANY newsletters for a start.

Coal nuke and wind

At least I am honest

That is more than you can say

Yeah I think we are getting a pretty good look see at how human friendly that shit is.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh you call all your DENIER THREADS honest?????

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That shit cracks me up..

Sooo when can we look forward to the NEXT bullsghit propoganda piece from your Masters in the Company newsletter???

[rushmc 23]

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Push your envio religion on some one else

I dont need yours as I can see you are a do as I say not as I do enviro wacko

Its not a religion COAL BOY... its a reality.. of course if you would pull your head out of that COAL ASH pile that is radioactive.. you might begin to find the clue you are so totally and utterly missing.

Read something other than those links provided to you by your COMPANY newsletters for a start.

Coal nuke and wind

At least I am honest

That is more than you can say

Yeah I think we are getting a pretty good look see at how human friendly that shit is.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh you call all your DENIER THREADS honest?????

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That shit cracks me up..

Sooo when can we look forward to the NEXT bullsghit propoganda piece from your Masters in the Company newsletter???

Cracked?

why yes

you certinly are


One thing is for sure

you dont have a clue how the electic energy system works

here is a question for you


Now dont look it up on google

What happens to the ash and fly ash from a power plant?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

Oh please enlighten us on all knowing one..



( well at least feed us the line your masters have fed you)

[rushmc 23]

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Oh please enlighten us on all knowing one..



( well at least feed us the line your masters have fed you)

Let me ask you in a different way

Are the ash by products a liablility or an asset to a company?


Or

Do you think it goes into a land fill or not?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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Oh please enlighten us on all knowing one..



( well at least feed us the line your masters have fed you)

Let me ask you in a different way

Are the ash by products a liablility or an asset to a company?


Or

Do you think it goes into a land fill or not?

I think it goes into shit like this... OH but that is ok by your estimation....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Fossil_Plant_coal_fly_ash_slurry_spill

[kallend 2,150]

www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste&WT.mc_id=SA_20110324

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DougH 270]

"McBride and his co-authors estimated that individuals living near coal-fired installations are exposed to a maximum of 1.9 millirems of fly ash radiation yearly. To put these numbers in perspective, the average person encounters 360 millirems of annual "background radiation" from natural and man-made sources, including substances in Earth's crust, cosmic rays, residue from nuclear tests and smoke detectors."


Big deal!

Don't swim in fly ash, or cooling ponds containing spent nuclear fuel rods.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[billvon 3,120]

>Don't swim in fly ash, or cooling ponds containing spent nuclear fuel rods.

Or breathe the air near your house, or eat food you buy near there, or drink water from your well. As long as you do that, you're good to go.

Now, take those 125 idiots who decided to go swimming in coal power plant waste in Buffalo Creek. No wonder they died. Fools, all of them.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Anyone remember Love Canal, or Acid Rain, or are you all too young?

I think saw the former open for the 'Stones, and I believe I have one of the latter's albums.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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>Don't swim in fly ash, or cooling ponds containing spent nuclear fuel rods.

Or breathe the air near your house, or eat food you buy near there, or drink water from your well. As long as you do that, you're good to go.

So every nuclear power installation, and every coal fired power plant or fly ash depot causes undrinkable water, food with radiation contamination, and poisoned air?

The article cited basically said big fucking deal, about fly ash radiation! That was all I was commenting on, and you are taking your point to the extreme.

I don't think you will find that I disagree with you, I like my clean well water, and nice air.

Energy production isn't issue with a simple solution, especially not on a large national scale.

Renewables cost more and the grid isn't really up for a full switch to renewables, you want to watch rate payers bitch and moan force a state to go all renewables and make the rate payers foot the bill.

Nuclear has issues obviously.

Coal has issues.

Natural gas plants have issues, hello fraking! What did you say about drinking water?

So what is your super simplistic solution, I sure as hell don't have one.

At the very least I do think is that companies that are currently operting should be held to account and impact should be minimized.

It is great that Hippy Mc Joe has the capital and the ability to get off the grid, but you really can't do that on a large scale either. Is every apartment in the city going to have their own wind turbine on their fire escape?

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[billvon 3,120]

>So every nuclear power installation, and every coal fired power plant or fly
>ash depot causes undrinkable water, food with radiation contamination,
>and poisoned air?

Nope. But combine hundreds of them, and they can indeed result in undrinkable water and poisoned air. In some cases even a few power plants can do that, if they're very dirty.

>So what is your super simplistic solution, I sure as hell don't have one.

There is no super simplistic solution; they're all hard. For electrical power here's a start:

The first solution is energy flexibility. Upgrade the grid and make it smarter. Design systems that adjust their load as well as their generation capability. Have smart loads that move their shiftable loads (like water heating, electric vehicle charging, queueable production) to low power demand times. Increase long distance capacity so Texas or Nevada power plants can supply power to deal with a hot day in Phoenix, and solar power in the California desert can be used in Austin when it's cloudy there.

Next - efficiency. One simple improvement we could make - use natural light for buildings. Something like 5% of our _daytime_ electrical power load is to light buildings! Solid state lighting, vector motor drives, EnergyStar appliance guidelines etc will significantly decrease our power demands.

Next work on our generation. Here's our current mix of power:

Coal 48%
Oil 4%
Natural gas 13%
Hydro 15%
Nuclear 18%
Solar/wind/geothermal 2%

We should be moving toward a mix that looks more like:

Coal 10%
Natural gas 20%
Wind/solar/geothermal 20%
Hydro 15%
Nuclear 35%

That gives us a balance between baseline generation (hydro, nuclear) opportunity generation (wind, solar) and peaker generation (natural gas.)

>It is great that Hippy Mc Joe has the capital and the ability to get off
>the grid, but you really can't do that on a large scale either. Is every
>apartment in the city going to have their own wind turbine on their fire
>escape?

Nope. But in Phoenix they can have solar thermal water heaters and solar PV on the roof of their apartment building. In Kansas, a wind turbine would make a lot more sense - and would make more sense on a farmer's field than on a building.

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>Don't swim in fly ash, or cooling ponds containing spent nuclear fuel rods.

Or breathe the air near your house, or eat food you buy near there, or drink water from your well. As long as you do that, you're good to go.

Now, take those 125 idiots who decided to go swimming in coal power plant waste in Buffalo Creek. No wonder they died. Fools, all of them.

I saw one article I read where they were "enhancing" farmers fields with the spread out and plowed in fly ash to improve the soil... ..sorry.. but that is just NUTZ... only a MORON could think that is a good idea.

[brenthutch 444]

The population growth in the US is due to immigration, legal and illegal. Without it our growth rate would be close to zero.

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The population growth in the US is due to immigration, legal and illegal. Without it our growth rate would be close to zero.

Even those little bundles of joy BORN in this country to illegal aliens don't count? Odd... Texas and other states are counting them.


Chuck

[brenthutch 444]

Yes Amazon, everyone knows that coal, nuclear, and right wingers destroy the environment. That is old news. What is shocking is that tree hugging, prius driving, grocery bag reusing, cfl bulb changing, windmill advocating hippies are just as destructive to the environment as the former.

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Yes Amazon, everyone knows that coal, nuclear, and right wingers destroy the environment. That is old news. What is shocking is that tree hugging, prius driving, grocery bag reusing, cfl bulb changing, windmill advocating hippies are just as destructive to the environment as the former.

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Now dats some funny chit right there... even for those who are dumb as dirt and proud of it gots to find that funni.

[brenthutch 444]

I’m glad you are amused. But don’t be so hard on yourself.

[Amazon 7]

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I’m glad you are amused. But don’t be so hard on yourself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats funni little fella

[rushmc 23]

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I’m glad you are amused. But don’t be so hard on yourself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats funni little fella

You still have not answered my questions to you

Why is that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I’m glad you are amused. But don’t be so hard on yourself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats funni little fella

You still have not answered my questions to you

Why is that?

Hey.. YOU are the COAL POLLUTION MITIGATION EXPERT.. to go with CLIMATE DENIAL... please.. enlighten us...Did your company not sufficiently brainwash you with all the right answers for us???

[kallend 2,150]

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I’m glad you are amused. But don’t be so hard on yourself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats funni little fella

You still have not answered my questions to you

Why is that?

You over-rate your own importance. No-one has to answer your stupid questions.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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I’m glad you are amused. But don’t be so hard on yourself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats funni little fella

You still have not answered my questions to you

Why is that?

You over-rate your own importance. No-one has to answer your stupid questions.

I really have no importance at all in this
I have an opinion

and of course
opinions are like assholes

everyone has them

In any event
I can not help that you dont have the guts to explain your own positions

I can think of many reasons for that

I will bet you can too

Oh

and Amazon does not have the guts either

Seems to be a problem for liberals

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

I am still waiting for MR COAL DOES NOT POLLUTE to enlighten all of us ... why will you not dazzle us with your brilliance.... or are you going to go with your company line and continue to try to baffle us with bullshit.

[brenthutch 444]

Ok sports fans, let us focus and get back to the original topic. I apologize for citing several examples, and understand that this may have overwhelmed some folks, so I will simplify. Could someone tell me how it makes good environmental sense to subsidize the mandate of low flow toilets (to the tune of several million tax payer dollars) which resulted in the clogging of the sewer system, only to be remedied by poring toxic chemicals ($$$) into the sewers?

[rushmc 23]

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I am still waiting for MR COAL DOES NOT POLLUTE to enlighten all of us ... why will you not dazzle us with your brilliance.... or are you going to go with your company line and continue to try to baffle us with bullshit.

thanks
your ignorance on the topic has now been fully exposed


But, religion does that to a person (so you say) and you speak from experience as shown here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln