shropshire 0 #1 March 22, 2011 Just heard that the allies have lost their 1st plane ... not sure who or what yet ....... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 March 22, 2011 an american F15. The 2 crewmembers have ejected, 1 has been safely rescued. They are apparently planning the rescue for the 2nd one. Apparently a mechanical failure, plane has not been reported "shot down"scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #3 March 22, 2011 NPR radio reported both crew rescued, minor injuries. F-15 went down due to mech failure, not Libyan fire."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #4 March 22, 2011 just read the 2nd one was now rescued tooscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 March 22, 2011 QuoteNPR radio reported both crew rescued, minor injuries. F-15 went down due to mech failure, not Libyan fire. So they say....... Difficult to prove, when you don't have the wreckage. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 March 22, 2011 It doesn't really matter to me whether the plane went down due to hostile fire or neutral factors. It's operating in a combat zone, so the risks are understood. But I note that at least 1 aviator was rescued by US Marines off the Kearsarge (don't know yet how the US physically picked up the 2nd aviator from the friendly rebels). As much as the US says there won't be US "boots on the ground", rescuing aviators downed over land almost always involves a limited degree of boots on the ground. And then what happens when a rescue squad gets attacked or stranded or captured by hostiles? More rescuers sent after them, of course. "Mission creep" is not too far off, then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 March 22, 2011 same old ... same old (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #8 March 22, 2011 Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 March 22, 2011 Quote Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Well, to a degree, all rule of law involves society sticking its nose into other peoples' business, even at the municipal government level. So it's really a debate over "when/'why" and "how much". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 March 22, 2011 Quote Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Quite. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Quite. Quite simplistic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #12 March 22, 2011 The cost of being a member nation of NATO. Sometimes it works in our best political interests (or our governments) and sometimes it's in the best interest of other member nations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Quite. Quite simplistic. VERY (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Quite. Quite simplistic. VERY 'cept it ain't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #15 March 22, 2011 Does anyone else's brow furrow just a little when the rebels rush over to the wreckage of a US aircraft and stand all over it? http://iplextra.indiatimes.com/photo/07ai1LcgKB7Yh?q=Libya Other photos show the wings and vertical stabilizers largely intact but it's difficult to tell if any US markings are readily apparent, so I suppose they might not know to whom it belonged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 March 22, 2011 Somebody has to look out for Europe's oil.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 March 22, 2011 QuoteDoes anyone else's brow furrow just a little when the rebels rush over to the wreckage of a US aircraft and stand all over it? http://iplextra.indiatimes.com/photo/07ai1LcgKB7Yh?q=Libya Other photos show the wings and vertical stabilizers largely intact but it's difficult to tell if any US markings are readily apparent, so I suppose they might not know to whom it belonged. Nope, don't be so hyper-sensitive...... I'm sure we'd do the same - It's not every day that you get an F-15 in your cabbage patch.... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteDoes anyone else's brow furrow just a little when the rebels rush over to the wreckage of a US aircraft and stand all over it? http://iplextra.indiatimes.com/photo/07ai1LcgKB7Yh?q=Libya Other photos show the wings and vertical stabilizers largely intact but it's difficult to tell if any US markings are readily apparent, so I suppose they might not know to whom it belonged. Nope, don't be so hyper-sensitive...... I'm sure we'd do the same - It's not every day that you get an F-15 in your cabbage patch.... Not me..... I dont like little bits of things they were carrying that just might decide to go BOOM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #19 March 22, 2011 [DOH] How to win friends and infulence people ...... Seems (from the BBC) that the polits were collected by the locals and had a party .... then a yank helicopter came in and shot the party up Quote The Daily Telegraph's Rob Crilly has been reporting six Libyan locals were shot and injured by a US helicopter as it recovered one of the two pilots after the F-15 crash near Benghazi (0955 entry). (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #20 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Quite. Quite simplistic. VERY 'cept it ain't. yes it is. It's impossible to say that the mechanical failure wouldn't have happened on the next training or patrol flight that aircraft was used on. If the failure was caused by their mission, or by maintenance bypassed because they were in active combat operations, then perhaps the above statement is correct. Without that information, it is incomplete, and over-simplified.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #21 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Of course if they had'nt been sticking thier nose into other peoples buisness they would'nt of lost a plane. Well, to a degree, all rule of law involves society sticking its nose into other peoples' business, even at the municipal government level. So it's really a debate over "when/'why" and "how much". Seems to me that the UN only likes sticking it's nose into other peoples afairs when they can see a financial gain. Other dictatorships that have no resorces to offer are left the hell alone. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #22 March 23, 2011 Quote [DOH] How to win friends and infulence people ...... Seems (from the BBC) that the polits were collected by the locals and had a party .... then a yank helicopter came in and shot the party up Quote The Daily Telegraph's Rob Crilly has been reporting six Libyan locals were shot and injured by a US helicopter as it recovered one of the two pilots after the F-15 crash near Benghazi (0955 entry). Sveral very different versions floating around at the moment... Libya: US planes 'dropped two bombs' to protect downed pilot American Harrier jets dropped two large bombs on Libyan armoured vehicles who posed a threat to a downed pilot, the US military said on Tuesday night. US denies civilians shot during pilot rescue The United States military has denied reports civilians were injured during the rescue of a US pilot whose jet crashed while on a mission over Libya. US jet downed in Libya and rescue plane strafes villagers trying to help pilot LIBYAN villagers trying to help two US crash pilots were strafed by rescuers. One man lost a leg when an Osprey aircraft opened fire on the anti-Gaddafi crowd. A witness said: “They had all guns blazing.”witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #23 March 23, 2011 Quotean american F15. The 2 crewmembers have ejected, 1 has been safely rescued. They are apparently planning the rescue for the 2nd one. Apparently a mechanical failure, plane has not been reported "shot down" Wait didn't I hear that we weren't going to do any troops? Or is it just on the ground? What?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
