mnealtx 0 #26 March 22, 2011 QuoteYou really do not follow REAL WORLD news do you... Evidently more than you. QuoteHow many kinds of taxes to NORMAL people have to pay... you know.. the ones who buy things... live in homes.. etc etc. Sales and property taxes? Yeah, rich folks pay those too. Are you going to show how Joe Sixpack not having to pay income tax anymore is somehow making him worse off eventually, or is this another of the rabid rants that have nothing to do with the subject at hand?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #27 March 22, 2011 QuoteHow many kinds of taxes to NORMAL people have to pay... you know.. the ones who buy things... live in homes.. etc etc. Are you suggesting that the wealthy don't buy things, live in homes, etc...? QuoteWho did the Administration wish to let the taxes go back to what they were back when there was the closet thing we have had to a balanced budget since 1970???... oh yes your favorite group of TRICKLERS but your ILK.... in the hopes of that itty bit of TRICKLE thought that was oh so horrible to do to your LORDS Forget the punctuation, spelling, and grammar because this isn't even coherent. Next time, write, read, make corrections, and then post ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou really do not follow REAL WORLD news do you... Evidently more than you. QuoteHow many kinds of taxes to NORMAL people have to pay... you know.. the ones who buy things... live in homes.. etc etc. Sales and property taxes? Yeah, rich folks pay those too. Are you going to show how Joe Sixpack not having to pay income tax anymore is somehow making him worse off eventually, or is this another of the rabid rants that have nothing to do with the subject at hand? Yeah I have a good guess at what subject you have at hand....as usual What you are missing... is if you are going to tax people in any way.. you are better off to tax those who HAVE benefitted the most.. not those who benefit the least. The former.. have the money.. and are hurt far less and will always acquire far much more... than those with damn near nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #29 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteHow many kinds of taxes to NORMAL people have to pay... you know.. the ones who buy things... live in homes.. etc etc. Are you suggesting that the wealthy don't buy things, live in homes, etc...? they certainly don't pay enough tax. time the majority made these freeloaders pay their fair share...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #30 March 22, 2011 >time the majority made these freeloaders pay their fair share... Sorta hard to call them freeloaders when they are paying 90% of the taxes in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 March 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote How many kinds of taxes to NORMAL people have to pay... you know.. the ones who buy things... live in homes.. etc etc. Are you suggesting that the wealthy don't buy things, live in homes, etc...? they certainly don't pay enough tax. time the majority made these freeloaders pay their fair share... to pay for the things freeladers like you want, correct?Interesting where the definition of freeloader goes depending on ones point of view huh....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #32 March 22, 2011 Quote>time the majority made these freeloaders pay their fair share... Sorta hard to call them freeloaders when they are paying 90% of the taxes in the US. time for them to pay off the deficit they created then...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #33 March 22, 2011 >time for them to pay off the deficit they created then... OK. And all the middle class homeowners who defaulted on their mortgages can pay off the costs of the recession. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 March 22, 2011 Quote>time for them to pay off the deficit they created then... OK. And all the middle class homeowners who defaulted on their mortgages can pay off the costs of the recession. They are the ones who will have to pay it off.. Mikes LORDS set it up that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 March 22, 2011 QuoteWhat you are missing... is if you are going to tax people in any way.. you are better off to tax those who HAVE benefitted the most.. not those who benefit the least. The former.. have the money.. and are hurt far less and will always acquire far much more... than those with damn near nothing. So why do you support repealing the Bush cuts that helped those who have the least? You know, the Joe Sixpacks who paid less/no tax after the cuts? After that, we'll get into the effects of excessive taxation on business and how it affects prices, hiring and salaries.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 March 22, 2011 QuoteQuote>time for them to pay off the deficit they created then... OK. And all the middle class homeowners who defaulted on their mortgages can pay off the costs of the recession. They are the ones who will have to pay it off.. Mikes LORDS set it up that way. Remind me again what party Dodds and Waters belong to? You know, the folks that said there was no problem with Fannie/Freddy?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #37 March 22, 2011 >They are the ones who will have to pay it off. . . . Well, given that they agreed to pay it off to begin with - and didn't - that doesn't seem like the end of the world. Indeed, if anything the people who have the most to complain about are the people who just kept paying their mortgages even as their rates climbed. They did what they agreed to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #38 March 22, 2011 Quote>They are the ones who will have to pay it off. . . . Well, given that they agreed to pay it off to begin with - and didn't - that doesn't seem like the end of the world. Indeed, if anything the people who have the most to complain about are the people who just kept paying their mortgages even as their rates climbed. They did what they agreed to do. Yep, the people like me that continued to pay their mortgages while they were going underwater ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 March 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote >time for them to pay off the deficit they created then... OK. And all the middle class homeowners who defaulted on their mortgages can pay off the costs of the recession. They are the ones who will have to pay it off.. Mikes LORDS set it up that way. Remind me again what party Dodds and Waters belong to? You know, the folks that said there was no problem with Fannie/Freddy? The USUAL WHOOOSH just swirled around your head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #40 March 22, 2011 Quote The USUAL WHOOOSH just swirled around your head. The hot air you spew goes WHOOOSH around everyone's head."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 March 22, 2011 Quote >They are the ones who will have to pay it off. . . . Well, given that they agreed to pay it off to begin with - and didn't - that doesn't seem like the end of the world. Indeed, if anything the people who have the most to complain about are the people who just kept paying their mortgages even as their rates climbed. They did what they agreed to do. Still payin mine... and still paying my taxes... I do that so I can live in a civilized manner with people who are also civilized... Mike and Kennedy and their bunch... well I think they would be quite happy with a country that resembled Somalia... so they could break out all them guns and use them like they intend... to fend off all THOSE people, ... the ones who did not manage to pull themselves up by their non existent bootstraps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 March 22, 2011 Quote Quote The USUAL WHOOOSH just swirled around your head. The hot air you spew goes WHOOOSH around everyone's head. Least my hot air dont stink up the place as does yours when it pops out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 March 22, 2011 Quote Quote The USUAL WHOOOSH just swirled around your head. The hot air you spew goes WHOOOSH around everyone's head. eeeewwwwww yuk"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #44 March 23, 2011 Quotetime for them to pay off the deficit they created then... I'm cool with that. Personal responsibility! Time for deadbeat slackass parents to pay for the children they created then... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #45 March 23, 2011 Quotethey certainly don't pay enough tax. time the majority made these freeloaders pay their fair share... This is the part where I ask Dreamdancer 2 questions: Dreamdancer, 1. who is "they" (what income/wealth level are you referring to) 2. define "fair share" ( a percentage of income) This is the part where Dreamdancer doesn't answer the question Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #46 March 23, 2011 so for 30 years, we have reduced the taxes on the rich and corporations, with the promise that this will help create jobs, (which is has not), and then when we propose raising taxes, even a little on the rich, then they are all going to leave? Well good riddance then.... Jobs are still going overseas. Tax reductions have nothing to do with unemployment in this country. The rich and the corporations will always scream about how ANYTHING the government (or unions or anyone else) does with damage their bottom line and that it will affect jobs. The country is broke for a lot of reasons, but reducing taxes is probably not going to fix that. ANd reducing all government spending to zero is not going to fix that either - it is an idealism like Communism that works well on paper but does not work in reality. We have some of the lowest taxes in the world and we currently have high unemployment. Capitalism that provides NOTHING in return for the people is not much of a system. Again, an idealism that does not work in reality.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 March 23, 2011 Quoteso for 30 years, we have reduced the taxes on the rich and corporations, with the promise that this will help create jobs, (which is has not), and then when we propose raising taxes, even a little on the rich, then they are all going to leave? Well good riddance then.... Where's the money for your socialized medicine utopia going to come from once the jobs are gone, tk? QuoteJobs are still going overseas. Tax reductions have nothing to do with unemployment in this country. So you're seriously saying that you couldn't expand your business and employ more people if you didn't have to send so much in to Uncle Sam? Raising the bullshit flag on that one, sorry. QuoteThe rich and the corporations will always scream about how ANYTHING the government (or unions or anyone else) does with damage their bottom line and that it will affect jobs. Like having to purchase health insurance for their employees, perhaps? QuoteThe country is broke for a lot of reasons, but reducing taxes is probably not going to fix that. ANd reducing all government spending to zero is not going to fix that either - it is an idealism like Communism that works well on paper but does not work in reality. Good thing nobody has suggested reducing gov't spending to zero, then. QuoteWe have some of the lowest taxes in the world and we currently have high unemployment. Capitalism that provides NOTHING in return for the people is not much of a system. Again, an idealism that does not work in reality.... Speaking of reality, it's worked for 200+ years.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #48 March 23, 2011 Quote utopia going to come from once the jobs are gone, tk? the jobs are gone - or hadn't you noticed.....? Quote So you're seriously saying that you couldn't expand your business and employ more people if you didn't have to send so much in to Uncle Sam? Raising the bullshit flag on that one, sorry. There are MANY reasons for expanding or not expanding business. taxes are just a small part of that whole decision making process. BTW, Skydive City pays fuck all in corporate income taxes......probably like most corporations. Most of the issues of 'expansion' have to do with the market and the size of the pie, nothing to do with corporate income tax. But it's OK, feel free to educate me about how to run my dropzone, I obviously know NOTHING about it..... Quote Like having to purchase health insurance for their employees, perhaps? You already know where I stand on that matter - no need to turn yet ANOTHER thread into something about something that it is not about just 'cause you like to jab..... Quote Speaking of reality, it's worked for 200+ years. sure, it's working well right now - everyone is leaving right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 March 23, 2011 Quote Quote utopia going to come from once the jobs are gone, tk? the jobs are gone - or hadn't you noticed.....? And taking even MORE money away from struggling business is going to improve their hiring capability HOW? Quote Quote So you're seriously saying that you couldn't expand your business and employ more people if you didn't have to send so much in to Uncle Sam? Raising the bullshit flag on that one, sorry. There are MANY reasons for expanding or not expanding business. taxes are just a small part of that whole decision making process. BTW, Skydive City pays fuck all in corporate income taxes......probably like most corporations. Most of the issues of 'expansion' have to do with the market and the size of the pie, nothing to do with corporate income tax. But it's OK, feel free to educate me about how to run my dropzone, I obviously know NOTHING about it..... Since you still can't seem to explain how having LESS cashflow is somehow enhancing the ability of a company to hire, I shall, thanks. Quote Quote Like having to purchase health insurance for their employees, perhaps? You already know where I stand on that matter - no need to turn yet ANOTHER thread into something about something that it is not about just 'cause you like to jab..... Hey, YOU'RE the one that said you couldn't afford to get health insurance for your employees. Quote Quote Speaking of reality, it's worked for 200+ years. sure, it's working well right now - everyone is leaving right? Woosh....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #50 March 23, 2011 QuoteAnd taking even MORE money away from struggling business is going to improve their hiring capability HOW? Again, and slowly - if you keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting to get different results......then you are insane..... We have lowered taxes for 30 years and the jobs are gone. Continuing to lower taxes then will help how? You're the one that made that claim, not me. So show me the numbers where lower taxes created more jobs, 'cause I ain't seeing it. Show me some country in the world that has the lowest taxes and does not suffer from unemployment. It's a theory, albeit on paper, even a valid theory. It has little to do with reality. The reality is that Corporations and CEO's will line their pockets with the most amount of money and profits by cutting down expenses, workers included. Lowering the taxes, unless LEGISLATED, will not create the jobs automatically. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
